Australian Cave Diver Dies Attempting Body Recovery

"James Connell" <jconnell@gci.net> wrote in message
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> Adam Helberg wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Solo diving is safe until something goes wrong.
>
> ALL " diving is safe until something goes wrong."

At least if you have someone else besides you and something goes wrong they may be
able to bail you out. I would have thought such a dive would be made by a team.

Adam

"Adam Helberg" wrote ...
> At least if you have someone else besides you
> and something goes wrong they may be able to
> bail you out.

Or both of your could end up dying... Darwin isn't exactly known as a team
player... Sometimes you do stupid things and you die... Sometimes you don't
do anything stupid and you still die... The only certainty is that sooner or
later you *are* going to die... Might as well have fun in the meantime...

> The cave is shaped like the letter "b".
> this place is pretty well known; Sheck Exley tried for a record there.
> The guy who was on the bottom died in '94 in a depth record attempt.

Maybe one of the expert self-trained solo cave divers will build himself
a rebreather and do the recovery?

If he starts laughing too hard though, could be a triple play.

Curtis

"Curtis" <cavey_curtis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Maybe one of the expert self-trained solo cave divers will build himself
> a rebreather and do the recovery?

> If he starts laughing too hard though, could be a triple play.

Should be a piece of cake, eh? 'Specially with a scooter.

Maybe wave a few checks at the Reaper when he comes to play.

Ballard had it right long ago.

They could recover both of them with a suitable ROV without endangering or
wasting future life or families.

"Scott" wrote ...
> Ballard had it right long ago.
>
> They could recover both of them with a suitable
> ROV without endangering or wasting future life
> or families.

Ahhh, but there's not glory in that... What kind of bragging rights do you
get by saying, "I operated the ROV that recovered a body"? Let's be
truthful... This is all about bragging rights... That's not to say that he
wasn't wanting to "do the right thing" by recovering the body, but there is
still a bit of bragging rights involved in it... I'm not saying that this is
necessarily a bad thing though... Most of the great accomplishments in
civilization have been achieved by guys wanting bragging rights about
something or other... Be it the pyramids or landing on the moon, someone,
somewhere, was wanting bragging rights... It might be a noble endeavor, but
there's still an essence of bragging rights associated with it... Some
people are more honest about it being about bragging rights... Some delude
themselves into thinking it is just for a noble cause... In the end, Darwin
makes the determination (not whether it's noble or not, but whether you get
to brag or not)...

Oh well... Life sucks... But the alternative is not all that great either...

"Grumman-581" <grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net> wrote in message
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> "Scott" wrote ...
> > Ballard had it right long ago.
> >
> > They could recover both of them with a suitable
> > ROV without endangering or wasting future life
> > or families.
>
> Ahhh, but there's not glory in that... What kind of bragging rights do you
> get by saying, "I operated the ROV that recovered a body"? Let's be
> truthful... This is all about bragging rights... That's not to say that he
> wasn't wanting to "do the right thing" by recovering the body, but there
is
> still a bit of bragging rights involved in it... I'm not saying that this
is
> necessarily a bad thing though... Most of the great accomplishments in
> civilization have been achieved by guys wanting bragging rights about
> something or other... Be it the pyramids or landing on the moon, someone,
> somewhere, was wanting bragging rights... It might be a noble endeavor,
but
> there's still an essence of bragging rights associated with it... Some
> people are more honest about it being about bragging rights... Some delude
> themselves into thinking it is just for a noble cause... In the end,
Darwin
> makes the determination (not whether it's noble or not, but whether you
get
> to brag or not)...
>
> Oh well... Life sucks... But the alternative is not all that great
either...

I understand;

Bragging about leaving your family without you should be included.

This was by no means a dive to set up a depth record. He planned this dive
with the sole purpose of recovering a body.
The dive plan was 5 min of bottom time at 270 mts. Deco time was 680
minutes.
During the 5 minutes he was planning to cut the diver harness, put the body
inside a bag and attach a line to his gear.

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:MVzEd.3033$KJ2.608@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
>> I've only been diving for 20 years, and I'm not stupid enough to think
>> I'm qualified to make a dive like that. What was a 20 year old doing
>> trying it? That's a story I'd like to hear.
>
> As long as records mean something to somebody, there will be somebody,
> usually a younger somebody, striving to break them. I've been diving for
> more than 40 years and I'm not qualified to make a diver like that either.
> More to the point, however, I have no desire to become, or to have become,
> qualified to make a dive like that . . . and I used to like diving in
> caves.
>
> Lee
>

In article <xd1Fd.557$D43.456@fe05.lga>, Grumman-581
<grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net> wrote:

€ That doesn't count as a body bag?

Only for fools who don't understand thumbing a dive.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

"Lalin" wrote ...
> During the 5 minutes he was planning to cut
> the diver harness, put the body inside a bag
> and attach a line to his gear.

One would assume that the diver to be recovered was in either a wetsuit or a
drysuit... That doesn't count as a body bag? <sick-grin>

Body recovery at 270mts? Sounds like a job for an ROV... not a diver.
At the very least, a diver in a commercial style rig, complete with
commercial-level surface support, and an on-deck chamber. Get down
there, get the body, follow an abbreviated deco plan to 30ft, get out
of the water and into the chamber.
12 hours of deco is a ridiculous risk for a body recovery.


On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:36:03 -0500, "Lalin"
<nehmads@REMOVETHIS!optonline.net> wrote:

>This was by no means a dive to set up a depth record. He planned this dive
>with the sole purpose of recovering a body.
>The dive plan was 5 min of bottom time at 270 mts. Deco time was 680
>minutes.
>During the 5 minutes he was planning to cut the diver harness, put the body
>inside a bag and attach a line to his gear.
>
>"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:MVzEd.3033$KJ2.608@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>>> I've only been diving for 20 years, and I'm not stupid enough to think
>>> I'm qualified to make a dive like that. What was a 20 year old doing
>>> trying it? That's a story I'd like to hear.
>>
>> As long as records mean something to somebody, there will be somebody,
>> usually a younger somebody, striving to break them. I've been diving for
>> more than 40 years and I'm not qualified to make a diver like that either.
>> More to the point, however, I have no desire to become, or to have become,
>> qualified to make a dive like that . . . and I used to like diving in
>> caves.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>


--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/