Australian Cave Diver Dies Attempting Body Recovery

Funny how a shift in things can help create misunderstandings.

I know the dive that cost him his life was not for the purpose of setting
any record. The previous dive, the one during which he discovered the body
in the first place, was. He would not have been there either day if he were
not trying to push beyond previous limits.

No criticism intended, in either case.

Lee

--
The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just
that they know so much that isn't so.
"Lalin" <nehmads@REMOVETHIS!optonline.net> wrote in message
news:v01Fd.263$yi3.38@fe11.lga...
> This was by no means a dive to set up a depth record. He planned this dive
> with the sole purpose of recovering a body.
> The dive plan was 5 min of bottom time at 270 mts. Deco time was 680
> minutes.
> During the 5 minutes he was planning to cut the diver harness, put the
> body inside a bag and attach a line to his gear.
>
> "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:MVzEd.3033$KJ2.608@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
>>> I've only been diving for 20 years, and I'm not stupid enough to think
>>> I'm qualified to make a dive like that. What was a 20 year old doing
>>> trying it? That's a story I'd like to hear.
>>
>> As long as records mean something to somebody, there will be somebody,
>> usually a younger somebody, striving to break them. I've been diving for
>> more than 40 years and I'm not qualified to make a diver like that
>> either. More to the point, however, I have no desire to become, or to
>> have become, qualified to make a dive like that . . . and I used to like
>> diving in caves.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>
>

"Rich Lockyer" wrote ...
>12 hours of deco is a ridiculous risk for a body recovery.

It sounded like he got into a problem before the long deco... The thing is,
he had been down to that depth previously in his record attempt and probably
got a little be overconfident that he could do it again and a body reovery
in the process... Perhaps he could as long as nothing extra went wrong... I
suspect that something else went wrong and it was just enough to let Darwin
catch up with him... We've all done things that probably weren't all that
smart, but we've survived them (at least up to this point)... Some of our
friends might not have been as lucky...

> It sounded like he got into a problem before the long deco... The thing
> is,
> he had been down to that depth previously in his record attempt and
> probably
> got a little be overconfident that he could do it again and a body reovery
> in the process... Perhaps he could as long as nothing extra went wrong...
> I
> suspect that something else went wrong and it was just enough to let
> Darwin
> catch up with him... We've all done things that probably weren't all that
> smart, but we've survived them (at least up to this point)... Some of our
> friends might not have been as lucky...

I did something like that just last night. I had way, way too much Captain
Morgans to drive home safely.

Lee

"Lee Bell" wrote ...
> I did something like that just last night. I had way, way too
> much Captain Morgans to drive home safely.

Been there... Good thing for autopilot on our cars, right?

chilly wrote:
>
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...5E1702,00.html

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...47041 978B262


The bodies of Australian diver Dave Shaw and South African diver Deon
Dreyer were recovered from the world's third deepest freshwater cave,
Boesmansgat, in the Northern Cape on Wednesday.

Shaw went missing on Saturday while trying to recover the remains of
Dreyer, a diver who blacked out and drowned in the cave while diving
there in 1994.

Dreyer was 20 years old at the time. His body has been lying at a depth
of 270m at the bottom of the cave.

Police spokesperson Inspector Louis van Vuuren told Sapa that both
bodies had been brought to the surface.

"The bodies have been found and brought up. That is all I can say at
this stage."





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A press statement would be released later on Wednesday evening. - Sapa

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:48:39 -0600, "Grumman-581"
<grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net> wrote:

>"Lalin" wrote ...
>> During the 5 minutes he was planning to cut
>> the diver harness, put the body inside a bag
>> and attach a line to his gear.
>
>One would assume that the diver to be recovered was in either a wetsuit or a
>drysuit... That doesn't count as a body bag? <sick-grin>
>
The problem with recovering bodies after they have been in the water for some
considerable time is that the only thing keeping it together is the suit.
The head and the hands will detach.
Not pleasant.
--
Steve Barlow

Al Wells wrote:

>
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...5E1702,00.html

>
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...47041 978B262

Excellent. There is at least a little comfort for the families, and
hopefully we will know what killed them.

"Steve Barlow" wrote ...
> The problem with recovering bodies after they have
> been in the water for some considerable time is that
> the only thing keeping it together is the suit. The head
> and the hands will detach.
> Not pleasant.

What? No hood and gloves? Damn inconsiderate of the diver being recovered,
don't 'cha think? <sick-grin>

<pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105560602.661724.31540@c13g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> Al Wells wrote:
>
>>
> http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...5E1702,00.html
>
>>
> http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_i...47041 978B262
>
> Excellent. There is at least a little comfort for the families, and
> hopefully we will know what killed them.

No doubt the police sent a team to recover the bodies not a solo diver.

Adam

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:QodFd.5323$C52.5072@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

> I did something like that just last night. I had way, way too much
> Captain Morgans to drive home safely.

Hmmm . . .

Lee Bell wrote (9/13/03):
> Everybody has a job to do. Those of us in positions of public service
> and,
> more specifically those of us charged with public trust really do swear an
> oath to enforce the laws of our country. Some of us take that oath very
> seriously. I'm not in this forum to spy on anyone. On several occasions
> have asked others to honor my wish to keep this part of my life separate
> from the official part. I'm perfectly willing to look the other way as
> long
> as others will let me.
>
> As you said, it really is foolish to broadcast your intent to violate the
> law in a public forum and even more foolish to broadcast the fact that you
> have broken the law.