OT: Canada does have some balls.

On 25 Mar 2005 12:22:49 -0800, "Ghmorris" <ghmorris@candlelight.ca>
wrote:

>
>Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>>
>> This guy should be court martialed, fined the combined cost of his
>> cumulative pay since enlistment, along with the cumulative cost of
>his
>> training since enlistment, jailed for an appropriate term,
>dishonorably
>> discharged and expelled from the country.
>
>No, once we throw him out in probably 20 years time after he's
>exhausted all his appeals and spent millions of our precious taxpayer
>dollars, you get to keep him, he's your problem. No one else wants him.

Surely there should be some sort of military reciprocity agreement
that allows us to throw them back without cluttering up our courts.
Let the American courts decide if they should be allowed to emigrate
to another country while they're still enlisted.

Or perhaps we could simply transfer his enlistment to our military and
ship him to Afghanistan to work on a Sea King.

JF

“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” Eleanor Roosevelt

JOF wrote
>
> Surely there should be some sort of military reciprocity agreement
> that allows us to throw them back without cluttering up our courts.
> Let the American courts decide if they should be allowed to emigrate
> to another country while they're still enlisted.
>
> Or perhaps we could simply transfer his enlistment to our military
and
> ship him to Afghanistan to work on a Sea King.

Excellent ideas. Maybe we can ship him to Afghanistan and make him FLY
a Sea King. Slower than shooting but almost as sure.

George

JOF wrote:
>
> That's what I meant. He doesn't appear to be rated to fly one, but I
> thought just riding crew would be good enough. He might realize how
> much more appealing being on the line in Iraq was.

Aaah. Perhaps Iceland would take him. They seem up for that sort of
thing, particularly if he can play chess...

George

On 25 Mar 2005 14:38:48 -0800, "Ghmorris" <ghmorris@candlelight.ca>
wrote:

>
>JOF wrote:
>>
>> That's what I meant. He doesn't appear to be rated to fly one, but I
>> thought just riding crew would be good enough. He might realize how
>> much more appealing being on the line in Iraq was.
>
>Aaah. Perhaps Iceland would take him. They seem up for that sort of
>thing, particularly if he can play chess...
>
Mebbe he'd like to be a Canuck submariner.

JF

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
- Eleanor Roosevelt

JOF wrote:
>
> Mebbe he'd like to be a Canuck submariner.

Nah, then we'd have to give him asylum 'cause he could claim he faced
"persecution or cruel and unusual punishment".

George

On 25 Mar 2005 16:02:19 -0800, "Ghmorris" <ghmorris@candlelight.ca>
wrote:

>
>JOF wrote:
>>
>> Mebbe he'd like to be a Canuck submariner.
>
>Nah, then we'd have to give him asylum 'cause he could claim he faced
>"persecution or cruel and unusual punishment".
>
If it's good enough for our sailors, perhaps it's too good for a
deserter.

JF

"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
- Eleanor Roosevelt

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Here, here;
>
> A drink to those of The Cheeses.
>
> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050325/D891NERG0.html

I can't understand people who join the military and then refuse to serve when asked
to fight. The service is now voluntary so if someone has something against fighting
and killing they should not join.

Adam

"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahee.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:IdM0e.60$TJ1.2006@news.uswest.net...
> > Here, here;
> >
> > A drink to those of The Cheeses.
> >
> > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050325/D891NERG0.html
>
> I can't understand people who join the military and then refuse to serve
when asked
> to fight. The service is now voluntary so if someone has something
against fighting
> and killing they should not join.

I can completely understand why someone might choose not to fight.

He can damn well be a Corpsman.

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>
> I can completely understand why someone might choose not to fight.

Sure. I could sympathize if he dug his heels in, refused to go to Iraq
and took his lumps, but deserting and hiking it to Canada is different.
>
> He can damn well be a Corpsman.

It appears that choice wasn't on the menu if the following can be
believed.

George

http://tinyurl.com/64u78

"Unlike the roughly 50,000 Vietnam-era draft dodgers who fled to Canada
in the 1960s and 70s, Mr. Hinzman was a volunteer. He signed up in
December, 2000, hoping to obtain financial assistance to go to college.
He then volunteered to become a paratrooper. In 2002, he was sent to
Afghanistan. At that point, he said he was becoming more interested in
pacifist teachings and applied to be relieved of duty as a
conscientious objector. Yet he said there were instances in which he
would kill. "I have a weapon and it would be my duty to defend this
airfield," he said.

His application was denied, but he performed mostly kitchen duty until
his unit returned to the United States. In December of 2003, he learned
his unit would soon be shipped to Iraq. As in Afghanistan, he says he
would have been willing to serve in a non-combat role.

The board found his position "inherently contradictory." Even in a
non-combat role, he would be assisting the U.S. war effort. And even
the UN's refugee handbook says a person is clearly not a refugee if his
only reason for desertion is his dislike of military service or fear of
combat."

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahee.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:IdM0e.60$TJ1.2006@news.uswest.net...
>> > Here, here;
>> >
>> > A drink to those of The Cheeses.
>> >
>> > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050325/D891NERG0.html
>>
>> I can't understand people who join the military and then refuse to serve
> when asked
>> to fight. The service is now voluntary so if someone has something
> against fighting
>> and killing they should not join.
>
> I can completely understand why someone might choose not to fight.
>
> He can damn well be a Corpsman.

I'm not sure what a Corpsman is but if it's another term for Medic you still have to
go and serve where you are assigned.

One should not join the military just for a free education or fringe benefits. The
old adage "there is no free lunch" applies here.

Adam