What happens to a dis-armed populace.

"Joe English" <joeenglish@isperhome.com> wrote in message
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>> You'd be dead too, Joe. Is that how you'd want it?
> don't count it, but I rather be dead helping someone than hiding and
> letting someone die - COUNT ON IT

But she's an old lady, probably not much time left in this world anyway.
You're a young brilliant guy with an incredible future ahead of him, might
even discover the cure for genital herpes or be the first to dive to the
bottom of the Marianas Trench on open-circuit SCUBA. Why would you
sacrifice your life for a dried up old hag you didn't even know especially
when it's highly likely she'd still get killed along with you?

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> > How on earth did he get a seed, if pot is banned?
>
> Seeds grow on pot plants, at least if you're not careful. A single pot
> plant can grow in months and yield thousands of seeds. A single seed is
> several millimeters in diameter. Are you seriously comparing something
that
> grows wild (they don't call it "weed" for nothing), can propagate without
> any human intervention, and is extremely tiny, to something man-made, big,
> and heavy like a gun? I guess you are. That's silly.

Its accurate, and illustrates the underlying principle
Banning something, does not prevent folks who want an item, from getting it.

>
> > I mean, you're not supposed to possess it, own it, grow it, and
yet...this
> > person is doing so!
> > He found a way around the law, which is my point.
>
> Jaywalkers find a way around the law too. Is your point that many people
> commit crimes and that those crimes are much deadlier when they're
commmited
> by people with guns? I agree. An armed jaywalker might pull out his
> "piece" and shoot at cars that don't stop for them. That's going to be
> potential much deadlier than the jaywalker who's swinging his baseball bat
> at the cars.
>
> > Folks who want drugs, will find a way to grow 'em. They'll fiund a way
to
> > make 'em.
> > Folks who want guns, will find 'em.
>
> Find them, huh? I've been trying to find guns my whole life laying
> scattered about on the ground or growing on trees and I've yet to find a
> single one. I'll keep looking.

Do that.

>
> > Banning firearms, will do nothing more than create a black market, and
> > make
> > folks like Scott, who can make 'em, wealthy.
>
> Doesn't he wish. But then that would make him a criminal.
>
> Are you calling Scott a criminal or just saying that he has the potential
to
> become one if the money is right? Because that again proves my point.
> We're all potential criminals if the money is right. I much prefer that
> potential criminals stay unarmed.
>
>

Consider it an act of civil disobedience. After all, the civil rights
workers were also considered "criminals" by the established government.

Dennis

"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
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> Consider it an act of civil disobedience. After all, the civil rights
> workers were also considered "criminals" by the established government.

Not to mention all the lawyers who evolved to the illegal side, like Bill
and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Scooter Libby, et al.

Michael Wolf a écrit :

> Matthias Voss wrote:
> > Michael Wolf wrote:
> >
> >> Froggy wrote:
> >>
> >>> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Enjoy your week!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Actually it's all a smokescreen so that the media would not pay too
> >>> much attention to the Volcker report stating that 180 French companies
> >>> reportedly paid tens of millions in kickbacks to the Saddam Hussein's
> >>> regime.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Froggy
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hmm, with us they only set 5 cars ablaze for that...do French cars
> >> produce less smoke?
> >>
> >
> > By far. Belgian cars are greasy all over which french fry's fat.
> >
> > Matthias
> >
>
>
>
> But to be honest: that's good for setting it on fire, but not to produce
> a lot of smoke...
>
>
> So how come they only set 1 car ablaze in Germany?

Cars in Germany enjoy special status, a bit like cows in India?

Cheers,

Froggy

Froggy wrote:

> Chris Gynn a écrit :
>
>
>>I'm advocating that the French arm themselves with weapons that would be
>>useful. I don't believe that a molotov cocktail is an especially useful
>>weapon for self defense. It would be effective, but colateral damage could
>>be very high. Even a pocket knife would be better than nothing.
>
>
> Sounds like a great idea. Take your pocket knife and go face a whole
> bunch of violent youths armed with iron bars, basebal bats, orange-size
> iron balls and molotov cocktails.
>
> If you want something useful in such circumstances, you'll have to do
> better than this, but I do not think that there is much that can
> protect you against an angry mob.

...better than reading Clausewitz first.

Matthias

Michael Wolf wrote:
> Matthias Voss wrote:
> > Froggy wrote:
> >
> >> Chris Gynn a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >>> I'm advocating that the French arm themselves with weapons that wouldbe
> >>> useful. I don't believe that a molotov cocktail is an especially useful
> >>> weapon for self defense. It would be effective, but colateral damage
> >>> could
> >>> be very high. Even a pocket knife would be better than nothing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sounds like a great idea. Take your pocket knife and go face a whole
> >> bunch of violent youths armed with iron bars, basebal bats, orange-size
> >> iron balls and molotov cocktails.
> >>
> >> If you want something useful in such circumstances, you'll have to do
> >> better than this, but I do not think that there is much that can
> >> protect you against an angry mob.
> >
> >
> > ..better than reading Clausewitz first.
> >
> > Matthias
> >
>
> How about Sun Tzu?
>
Now that I think of it, the logic of having a pocket knife is the same
as that of having a spare air: it's of little practical use but the
false sense of security may entice you into taking more risks.

In that very case it would actually be akin to bringing a spare air in
a cave dive.

Cheers,

Froggy

Michael Wolf wrote:

> Matthias Voss wrote:
>
>> Froggy wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Gynn a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm advocating that the French arm themselves with weapons that
>>>> would be
>>>> useful. I don't believe that a molotov cocktail is an especially
>>>> useful
>>>> weapon for self defense. It would be effective, but colateral
>>>> damage could
>>>> be very high. Even a pocket knife would be better than nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a great idea. Take your pocket knife and go face a whole
>>> bunch of violent youths armed with iron bars, basebal bats, orange-size
>>> iron balls and molotov cocktails.
>>>
>>> If you want something useful in such circumstances, you'll have to do
>>> better than this, but I do not think that there is much that can
>>> protect you against an angry mob.
>>
>>
>>
>> ..better than reading Clausewitz first.
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>
> How about Sun Tzu?
>

Agreed.

Froggy wrote:
> Michael Wolf wrote:
>
>>Matthias Voss wrote:
>>
>>>Froggy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Chris Gynn a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm advocating that the French arm themselves with weapons that would be
>>>>>useful. I don't believe that a molotov cocktail is an especially useful
>>>>>weapon for self defense. It would be effective, but colateral damage
>>>>>could
>>>>>be very high. Even a pocket knife would be better than nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like a great idea. Take your pocket knife and go face a whole
>>>>bunch of violent youths armed with iron bars, basebal bats, orange-size
>>>>iron balls and molotov cocktails.
>>>>
>>>>If you want something useful in such circumstances, you'll have to do
>>>>better than this, but I do not think that there is much that can
>>>>protect you against an angry mob.
>>>
>>>
>>>..better than reading Clausewitz first.
>>>
>>>Matthias
>>>
>>
>>How about Sun Tzu?
>>
>
> Now that I think of it, the logic of having a pocket knife is the same
> as that of having a spare air: it's of little practical use but the
> false sense of security may entice you into taking more risks.
>
> In that very case it would actually be akin to bringing a spare air in
> a cave dive.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Froggy
>

That's why you should bring a Swiss army knife, not a pocket knife...

--
Michael Wolf

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Cthulhu For President.
Why settle for the lesser evil?

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> So how come they only set 1 car ablaze in Germany?

Maybe the Muslims remember what the Germans did when they got pissed off at
the Jews.

Lee

Lee Bell wrote:
> "Froggy" wrote
>
> >And in Joe's scenario, she probably did not feel that her own life was
> >so valuable anyway, since she choose not to carry.
>
> >Why would Joe have to sacrify his perfectly good life because of her
> >negligence?
>
> Because not doing so results in exactly the kind of problem France is
> presently experiencing.

Actually it would most likely result in violence moving to the next
level

> Because if nobody does, it might be someone in his family next.
> Because, if a society is to remain free, somebody has to.

So far we have managed to remain relatively free, without having to
shoot each others nearly as much as you guys routinely do.

> Because he recognizes that it is not just somebody else's responsibility,
> it's his too.

But you would agree that it is primarily the victim's responsibility to
protect herself.

I thought this was one of the mantra of pro-gun types.

If she did not even take the basic step of arming herself, why should
he risk his life?

Cheers,

Froggy