What happens to a dis-armed populace.

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:59:05 -0500, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote:

>
>"John R. Macdonald" <scubajohn@remove.claranet.fr> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:57:39 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
>
>> >I do have to admit I'm surprised to see that there are poor in France.
>> >Isnt France socialist, after all?
>> >
>> >Dennis
>> >
>> The current french government and President (and their policies) are
>> certainly NOT socialist.
>> Sorry to disappoint you.
>
> I'm sure they're not by your standards.
>
> I'm sure they are by ours.
>
>
Policies that would make Bush feel at home such as tax breaks for the
rich, reducing worker benefits, dismantling labour laws?
As usual you know shit all about what goes on outside of the US.

"John R. Macdonald" <scubajohn@remove.claranet.fr> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:57:39 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote:
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> >
> >"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:11mpp09jpfm0t36@news.supernews.com...
> >>
> >> > Uh....
> >> >
> >> > What happens to dis-armed populaces?
> >>
> >> So what does Muslim have to do with it? Thankfully the Muslims aren't
> >> armed, is that your point?
> >>
> >> > Your other examples weren't rioting -because- they were Catholic,
and
> >> > calling the L.A. rioters exclusively "Christian" is quite the broad
> >brush.
> >>
> >> The French poor aren't rioting because they're Muslim. They're rioting
> >> because they're poor. That a majority of the French poor happen to be
> >> Muslim is entirely due to geography, just like a majority of the
illegal
> >> immigrants in California happen to be Catholic and all of the L.A.
rioters
> >> happened to be Christians.
> >
> >All? Sure about that?
> >
> >>
> >> But calling all the French rioters Muslims is quite the broad brush.
> >>
> >> > Haitians aren't turmoiling all over the globe.
> >>
> >> Neither are the French. I haven't seen even one French rioter in my
> >> neighborhood, period.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I do have to admit I'm suprised to see that there are poor in France.
> >Isnt France socialist, after all?
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> The current french government and President (and their policies) are
> certainly NOT socialist.
> Sorry to disappoint you.

No disapointment - got to admit I'd not paid much attention to French
politics. The below was in 1998-2002. which is why I thought they were
socalist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...rench_politics

The Left, led by Socialist Party leader Lionel Jospin, whom Chirac had
defeated in the 1995 presidential race-unexpectedly won a solid National
Assembly majority (319 seats, with 289 required for an absolute majority).
President Chirac named Jospin prime minister on June 2, and Jospin went on
to form a government composed primarily of Socialist ministers, along with
some ministers from allied parties of the Left, such as the Communist Party
and the Greens. Jospin stated his support for continued European integration
and his intention to keep France on the path toward Economic and Monetary
Union, albeit with greater attention to social concerns.

> John

"John R. Macdonald" <scubajohn@remove.claranet.fr> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:59:05 -0500, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John R. Macdonald" <scubajohn@remove.claranet.fr> wrote in message
> >news:c4ism1d6bhk7kcbhsru47qj51ipo7rud22@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:57:39 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> >
> >> >I do have to admit I'm surprised to see that there are poor in France.
> >> >Isnt France socialist, after all?
> >> >
> >> >Dennis
> >> >
> >> The current french government and President (and their policies) are
> >> certainly NOT socialist.
> >> Sorry to disappoint you.
> >
> > I'm sure they're not by your standards.
> >
> > I'm sure they are by ours.
> >
> >
> Policies that would make Bush feel at home such as tax breaks for the
> rich, reducing worker benefits, dismantling labour laws?

You do know who pays the most in taxes, right?

> As usual you know shit all about what goes on outside of the US.

Well...there's a reason for that.

Dennis

"John R. Macdonald" <scubajohn@remove.claranet.fr> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:59:05 -0500, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"John R. Macdonald" <scubajohn@remove.claranet.fr> wrote in message
> >news:c4ism1d6bhk7kcbhsru47qj51ipo7rud22@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:57:39 -0600, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> >
> >> >I do have to admit I'm surprised to see that there are poor in France.
> >> >Isnt France socialist, after all?
> >> >
> >> >Dennis
> >> >
> >> The current french government and President (and their policies) are
> >> certainly NOT socialist.
> >> Sorry to disappoint you.
> >
> > I'm sure they're not by your standards.
> >
> > I'm sure they are by ours.
> >
> >
> Policies that would make Bush feel at home such as tax breaks for the
> rich, reducing worker benefits, dismantling labour laws?
> As usual you know shit all about what goes on outside of the US.

Actually, as usual I -care- shit all about what happens outside the US.

Lee Bell wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" wrote
>
>
>>So what does Muslim have to do with it? Thankfully the Muslims aren't
>>armed, is that your point?
>
>
> You think maybe gas and a match don't qualify as armed to the lady they
> burned to death? You think she's thankful they burned her instead of, say,
> shooting her? Do you suppose that, if she were given the choice, she would
> chose burning to death over the risk of an armed citizen present and willing
> to protect her?
>
> Lee
>
>
Against youths who would certainly be armed themselves then too?

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Dennis Willson a écrit :

> Seems a bit off topic to me....

How so? It's about Frogmen.

Cheers,

Froggy

"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
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> Lee Bell wrote:
> > "Greg Mossman" wrote
> >
> >
> >>So what does Muslim have to do with it? Thankfully the Muslims aren't
> >>armed, is that your point?
> >
> >
> > You think maybe gas and a match don't qualify as armed to the lady they
> > burned to death? You think she's thankful they burned her instead of,
say,
> > shooting her? Do you suppose that, if she were given the choice, she
would
> > chose burning to death over the risk of an armed citizen present and
willing
> > to protect her?
> >
> > Lee
> >
> >
> Against youths who would certainly be armed themselves then too?

Sure.
Crooks like preying on folks who can't/won't fight back.

Dennis
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Dennis (Icarus) wrote:
> "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
> news:436f1a38$0$10098$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
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>>Lee Bell wrote:
>>
>>>"Greg Mossman" wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So what does Muslim have to do with it? Thankfully the Muslims aren't
>>>>armed, is that your point?
>>>
>>>
>>>You think maybe gas and a match don't qualify as armed to the lady they
>>>burned to death? You think she's thankful they burned her instead of,
>
> say,
>
>>>shooting her? Do you suppose that, if she were given the choice, she
>
> would
>
>>>chose burning to death over the risk of an armed citizen present and
>
> willing
>
>>>to protect her?
>>>
>>>Lee
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Against youths who would certainly be armed themselves then too?
>
>
> Sure.
> Crooks like preying on folks who can't/won't fight back.

So, you want gunfights on busses?


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"Matthias Voss" <spammat.voss@gmx.de> wrote in message
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> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>
> >>Reminds me of the "Achille Lauro" assassination..( Hm, too
> >>many "s"?) These should take the same remedy. Will the
> >>French offer the prescription in time?
> >
> >
> > What, turn them over to the Italians so they can set 'em free?
> >
> > Get 'em a ride to the airport?
>
> Not that my mamory might not fail me. Wasn't she stormed by
> fast rope troops?

Naw, the Italians let Abu Abbas walk after we did a sweet job of capturing
the whole bunch.


On October 7, 1985, four men representing the Palestine Liberation Front
(PLF) took control of the liner off Egypt while she was sailing from
Alexandria to Port Said within Egypt. This has been linked to the Israeli
bombing of the PLO headquarters in Tunis on October 1.

The hijackers had been surprised by a crew member and acted prematurely.
Holding the passengers and crew hostage, they directed the vessel to sail to
Tartus, Syria, and demanded the release of 50 Palestinians then in Israeli
prisons. Refused permission to dock at Tartus, the hijackers shot one
wheelchair-bound passenger - an American named Leon Klinghoffer - because he
was Jewish, and threw his body overboard, leaving him to die. The ship
headed back towards Port Said, and after two days of negotiations the
hijackers agreed to abandon the liner for safe conduct and were flown
towards Tunisia aboard an Egyptian commercial airliner.

The plane was intercepted by United States Navy fighters on October 10 and
directed to land at Naval Air Station Sigonella, a NATO base in Sicily,
where the hijackers were arrested by the Italians after a disagreement
between U.S. and Italian authorities. The other passengers on the plane
(possibly including the hijackers' leader Abu Abbas) were allowed to
continue on to their destination, despite protests by the United States.
Egypt demanded, but did not receive, an apology from the United States for
forcing the airplane off course.

The fate of those convicted of the hijacking is varied:

Bassam al-Asker was granted parole in 1991. He died on February 21, 2004.
Ahmad Marrouf al-Assadi disappeared in 1991 while on parole.
Youssef al Molqi was sentenced to 30 years, left the Rebibbia prison in Rome
on February 16, 1996, on a 12 day furlough, and fled to Spain, where he was
recaptured and extradited back to Italy.
Abu Abbas left the jurisdiction of Italy and was convicted in absentia. In
1996, he made an apology for the hijacking and murder, and advocated peace
talks between Palestininans and Israel; the apology was rejected by the
United States government and Klinghoffer's family, who insisted he be
brought to justice. Abbas was captured in Iraq in 2003 by the U.S. military
during its 2003 invasion of Iraq. He died in custody March 8, 2004.
The PLO was sued for its role in the death of Leon Klinghoffer. The suit was
dropped when the PLO paid an undisclosed sum to Klinghoffer's daughters,
which was used to fund the Leon and Marilyn Klinghoffer Memorial Foundation
of the Anti-Defamation League, which works to combat terrorism through
legal, political and educational means.

The ship continued in service; she was reflagged in 1987 when the Lauro Line
became StarLauro. On November 30, 1994, she caught fire off the coast of
Somalia. Abandoned, the vessel sank on December 2.

The hijack was made into a television movie in 1990, Voyage of Terror - The
Achille Lauro Affair starring Burt Lancaster and Eva Marie Saint.

An opera, with libretto by Alice Goodman and music by John Adams, entitled
The Death of Klinghoffer, opened to great controversy in 1991. In 2003, a
movie version of the opera was produced by Madonna Baptiste and Yan
Younghusband, directed by Penny Woolcock.

Wikimedia Commons has media related to:
Achille Lauro

Michael Wolf wrote:
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>

>>
>> They were already armed.
>
>
> Ah, so you advice that all French citizens carry molotov cocktails?
>
>

No what was said but giant leap of logic. Popeye merely stated that
they were already armed, and they were. Popeye didn't advise anything,
simply stating the fact that they were armed