What happens to a dis-armed populace.

"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
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> Oh, the guy from the 2nd row also wants to say something...

I think he needs to go to the bathroom. Make him raise his hand first.

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Naw, the Italians let Abu Abbas walk after we did a sweet job of
> capturing
> the whole bunch.

And Bush is now a drinking buddy of Moammar Kadafi.

"Michael Wolf" wrote in message
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> so, how did 36 police men get hurt then?

Bending over to pick up a donut? Or would that be croisants for the French
cops?

> and it still is confined to some suburbs of the cities.

Isn't that what they said at the start of the French Revolution?

So, Chirac should just say, "Let them eat falafel"?

"Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
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> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> > "Michael Wolf" <michael.wolf@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
> > news:436f74fd$0$20238$ba620e4c@news.skynet.be...
> >
> >>Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>> I didn't say there wouldn't be riots, the just wouldn't last for
weeks
> >>>virtually unopposed, bands of rioters wandering around the countryside
> >>>burning schools, cripples, and FIVE THOUSAND cars.
> >>
> >>it's 11 days, not weeks.
> >>they made some 385 arrests yesterday, that's not unopposed (I do expect
> >>the French government to send in troops if this continues still much
> >
> > longer)
> >
> >>they're not wandering around the countryside, the riots are taking place
> >>in some of the suburbs (and only some) of all the major cities.
> >
> >
> > "Rioting by French youths spread to 300 towns overnight and a man hurt
in
> > the violence died of his wounds - the first fatality in 11 days of
unrest,
> > police said Monday. Governments worldwide urged their citizens to be
careful
> > in France."
> >
> > "As urban violence spread to neighboring Belgium and possibly Germany,
the
> > French government faced growing criticism for its inability to stop the
> > violence, despite massive police deployment and continued calls for
calm."
> > "Vandals burned more than 1,400 vehicles overnight Sunday, and clashes
> > around the country left 36 police injured, setting a new high for
nightly
> > arson and violence since rioting started Oct. 27, France's national
police
> > chief, Michel Gaudin, told a news conference."
> >
> > That's virtually unopposed in my book.
>
> so, how did 36 police men get hurt then?

During the 1,700 car fires?

> > And 300 towns and two other countries isn't "some of the suburbs (and
only
> > some) of all the major cities".
>
> France has more major towns then you think and you should read a bit
> more about what (only) happened in the other 2 countries...
>
> and it still is confined to some suburbs of the cities.
>
> >>> Those little assholes burned one car in this neighborhood, and my
> >>>neighbors wouldn't let 'em get off the street alive.
> >>
> >>You're not living in one those suburbs (although 'ghettos' would be a
> >>better word), so there's not really a chance for that to happen.
> >
> > 300 towns, Germany and Belgium.
>
> You're not living in one those towns, nor in Belgium or Germany, so?

Doesn't change the point, does it?

I notice that , oh, once or twice you've commented on American subjects.

Did you live here?

> > You guys sure have a lot of "ghettos".
>
> France indeed has. You can compare them to some of the infamous estates
> in the UK (remember the Brixton riots?)
> >
> >>You start from a scenario where only your neighbors have guns...
> >
> > Oh, no.
> >
> > Much to the consternation of John Francis, we always assume any
criminal
> > is possibly or probably armed.
> >
> > We just don't care.
>
> So, we're talking here about the assholes being dead and some of the
> neighbors.

Some times.

> --
> Michael Wolf
>
> -----
>
> Cthulhu For President.
> Why settle for the lesser evil?
>
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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:

> "Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > But if you look at the whole situation, if guns were widespread in
> > France then it's likely that they would also be in the hands of these
> > hooligans, and that they would actually use them (it's already bad
> > enough that some policemen have been shot at with shotguns).
>
> Maybe, but you'd never have this 9-10 days of widespread rioting crap, or
> bands of youths holding busses at bay and torching cripples.

Here, it is not acceptable to use deadly force to protect property.
The case of assault against persons is different.

> >In the US you do have widespread gun ownership. I think you do have
> >experienced violent riots as well.
>
> Yah, but they are short and contained.
>
> The Rodney King L.A. riots went on for a couple days, until U.S. Marines
> showed up and it got real quiet real quick.

So it was the "well regulated militia" part that really made a
difference?

And AFAIK the death toll reached 50. So they were short, contained, but
deadly.

France does not have a good experience with tasking the army with
maintaining law and order. Plus you'd have to be willing to make quite
a lot of casualties. The situation is probably not that dramatic yet.

Cheers,

Froggy

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Sure, in the inner city, the rioters far outnumbered the armed citizens.

Cite?

In many cases, the rioters were the armed citizens.

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>
> "Rioting by French youths spread to 300 towns overnight and a man hurt in
> the violence died of his wounds - the first fatality in 11 days of unrest,
> police said Monday. Governments worldwide urged their citizens to be careful
> in France."
>

Only one dead after 11 days of rioting? Is that what happens to a
dis-armed populace?

Cam

"Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>
> > "Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > But if you look at the whole situation, if guns were widespread in
> > > France then it's likely that they would also be in the hands of these
> > > hooligans, and that they would actually use them (it's already bad
> > > enough that some policemen have been shot at with shotguns).
> >
> > Maybe, but you'd never have this 9-10 days of widespread rioting crap,
or
> > bands of youths holding busses at bay and torching cripples.
>
> Here, it is not acceptable to use deadly force to protect property.
> The case of assault against persons is different.

Enjoy your week!

Cam wrote:
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> >
> > "Rioting by French youths spread to 300 towns overnight and a man hurt in
> > the violence died of his wounds - the first fatality in 11 days of unrest,
> > police said Monday. Governments worldwide urged their citizens to be careful
> > in France."
> >
>
> Only one dead after 11 days of rioting? Is that what happens to a
> dis-armed populace?

Yes. Riots by an armed populace are much more deadly.

OTOH being doused with petrol and set ablaze, or being clubbed with
baseball bats, is not my idea of fun either.

Cheers,

Froggy

"Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> >
> > Enjoy your week!
>
> Actually it's all a smokescreen so that the media would not pay too
> much attention to the Volcker report stating that 180 French companies
> reportedly paid tens of millions in kickbacks to the Saddam Hussein's
> regime.
>
> Cheers,

I love you Mitch.

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