Re: What happens to a dis-armed populace.

Updated: 09:43 AM EST
Europe Fears Violence Similar to France's
By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, AP

ROME (Nov. 7) - Europeans expressed fears Monday of copycat outbreaks of
violence among their immigrant communities as rioting and arson attacks
spread in France.

Cars were set ablaze outside Brussels' main train station and in a working
class district of Berlin, although officials in Belgium and Germany sought
to play down the risk of the kind of violence that France has experienced
since Oct. 27.

Still, officials acknowledged that poor integration and poverty posed
threats.

"There are terrible living conditions and unhappiness, (even) where
everybody is Italian," said Romano Prodi, the center-left's candidate to
oppose Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi next spring, in a newspaper
interview. Prodi said poverty, unemployment and urban decay could spark
violence.

Thomas Steg, a spokesman for outgoing German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder,
told reporters that "the situation is not comparable."

"I think we should stay away from drawing premature analogies and making
prophecies as to whether similar developments would be possible here," Steg
said.

Wolfgang Schaeuble, a conservative tapped as Chancellor-designate Angela
Merkel's interior minister, echoed that belief in an interview with the Bild
daily newspaper.

"The conditions in France are different from the ones we have," Schaeuble
said. "We don't have these gigantic high-rise projects that they have on the
edges of French cities."

Schaeuble cautioned, however, that "we have to improve integration,
particularly of young people. That means above all that they must master the
German language."

An immigration law that took effect in January aims to integrate newcomers
to Germany, making German-language and civics courses obligatory for them.

Others, however, saw the rioting in low-income Paris suburbs as evidence
that European immigration policies don't work.

Heinz-Christian Strache, leader of Austria's rightist, xenophobic Freedom
Party, called on Austrian leaders to stop immigration and implement
integration measures that would prevent "French conditions" from emerging in
his country.

The Swedish tabloid Expressen said in an editorial that the trouble in Paris
is of an "all-European relevance."

"We have difficulties accepting that people come to us from far away," the
tabloid said. "It is like the humble staff at a luxury hotel would suddenly
take up quarters with their richest habitues. They should know their places,
a dark undercurrent in the collective European consciousness says."

Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan said France had ignored Ankara's calls
for more tolerance, arguing that France's ban on head scarves in public
schools triggered the riots.

"We've always told our friends in Europe that they should not lead to a
clash of civilizations in order to prevent such incidents," daily Hurriyet
quoted Erdogan as saying during a visit Sunday to Germany.

"We should work for an alliance between civilizations. There is a great duty
which falls on the Christian and Muslim world. Europe should have evaluated
this," Erdogan said. "We said it. But France did not take it into account.
It did not listen to us."

Abdelkarim Carrasco, a leader of Spain's estimated 1 million-member Muslim
community, said he does not see his country at risk of suffering the same
kind of violence, because the proportion of poor North African Muslims is
much smaller.

But he said the French experience posed a key test for Europe in general.

"Either Europe develops and supports the idea of a mixed culture, or Europe
has no future," he said. "Europe has to learn from what the United States
has done. It is a country that has taken in people from all over the world."


11/07/05 09:07 EST

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11n002lpedhcq8b@news.supernews.com...

> Updated: 09:43 AM EST
> Europe Fears Violence Similar to France's
> By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, AP

Send the worthless fuckers back to Fallujah.

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:

> Updated: 09:43 AM EST
> Europe Fears Violence Similar to France's
> By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, AP
>
> ROME (Nov. 7) - Europeans expressed fears Monday of copycat outbreaks of
> violence among their immigrant communities as rioting and arson attacks
> spread in France.

Why is the press afraid to use the word "muslim" instead of "immigrant"???
>
> Cars were set ablaze outside Brussels' main train station and in a working
> class district of Berlin, although officials in Belgium and Germany sought
> to play down the risk of the kind of violence that France has experienced
> since Oct. 27.
>
> Still, officials acknowledged that poor integration and poverty posed
> threats.
>
> "There are terrible living conditions and unhappiness, (even) where
> everybody is Italian," said Romano Prodi, the center-left's candidate to
> oppose Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi next spring, in a newspaper
> interview. Prodi said poverty, unemployment and urban decay could spark
> violence.
>
> Thomas Steg, a spokesman for outgoing German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder,
> told reporters that "the situation is not comparable."
>
> "I think we should stay away from drawing premature analogies and making
> prophecies as to whether similar developments would be possible here," Steg
> said.
>
> Wolfgang Schaeuble, a conservative tapped as Chancellor-designate Angela
> Merkel's interior minister, echoed that belief in an interview with the Bild
> daily newspaper.
>
> "The conditions in France are different from the ones we have," Schaeuble
> said. "We don't have these gigantic high-rise projects that they have on the
> edges of French cities."
>
> Schaeuble cautioned, however, that "we have to improve integration,
> particularly of young people. That means above all that they must master the
> German language."
>
> An immigration law that took effect in January aims to integrate newcomers
> to Germany, making German-language and civics courses obligatory for them.
>
> Others, however, saw the rioting in low-income Paris suburbs as evidence
> that European immigration policies don't work.
>
> Heinz-Christian Strache, leader of Austria's rightist, xenophobic Freedom
> Party, called on Austrian leaders to stop immigration and implement
> integration measures that would prevent "French conditions" from emerging in
> his country.
>
> The Swedish tabloid Expressen said in an editorial that the trouble in Paris
> is of an "all-European relevance."
>
> "We have difficulties accepting that people come to us from far away," the
> tabloid said. "It is like the humble staff at a luxury hotel would suddenly
> take up quarters with their richest habitues. They should know their places,
> a dark undercurrent in the collective European consciousness says."
>
> Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan said France had ignored Ankara's calls
> for more tolerance, arguing that France's ban on head scarves in public
> schools triggered the riots.
>
> "We've always told our friends in Europe that they should not lead to a
> clash of civilizations in order to prevent such incidents," daily Hurriyet
> quoted Erdogan as saying during a visit Sunday to Germany.
>
> "We should work for an alliance between civilizations. There is a great duty
> which falls on the Christian and Muslim world. Europe should have evaluated
> this," Erdogan said. "We said it. But France did not take it into account.
> It did not listen to us."
>
> Abdelkarim Carrasco, a leader of Spain's estimated 1 million-member Muslim
> community, said he does not see his country at risk of suffering the same
> kind of violence, because the proportion of poor North African Muslims is
> much smaller.
>
> But he said the French experience posed a key test for Europe in general.
>
> "Either Europe develops and supports the idea of a mixed culture, or Europe
> has no future," he said. "Europe has to learn from what the United States
> has done. It is a country that has taken in people from all over the world."
>
>
> 11/07/05 09:07 EST
>
>
>


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"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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>> ROME (Nov. 7) - Europeans expressed fears Monday of copycat outbreaks of
>> violence among their immigrant communities as rioting and arson attacks
>> spread in France.
>
> Why is the press afraid to use the word "muslim" instead of "immigrant"???

Maybe they're not afraid, they just believe it's irrelevant.

"There isn't anything inherently Muslim about the violence: Islamic groups
appear to have played no part in stirring up the trouble, and few rioters
seem to be using Islam to justify their attacks. On the contrary, many
Islamic groups say they are trying to calm things down."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1131..._news_euro pe

If there's nothing inherently Muslim, it does no more good to mention that
the majority of the poor immigrants are Muslim than it does to mention that
the majority of the poor immigrants are black.

"Why is the press afraid to use the word 'black' instead of 'immigrant'?"

How does that sound?

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:

> > Updated: 09:43 AM EST
> > Europe Fears Violence Similar to France's
> > By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, AP

> > ROME (Nov. 7) - Europeans expressed fears Monday of copycat outbreaks of
> > violence among their immigrant communities as rioting and arson attacks
> > spread in France.

> Why is the press afraid to use the word "muslim" instead of "immigrant"???

Might piss off a liberal editor?

Greg Mossman wrote:

> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
> news:K-OdnRF1vt1vme3eRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>
>
>>>ROME (Nov. 7) - Europeans expressed fears Monday of copycat outbreaks of
>>>violence among their immigrant communities as rioting and arson attacks
>>>spread in France.
>>
>>Why is the press afraid to use the word "muslim" instead of "immigrant"???
>
>
> Maybe they're not afraid, they just believe it's irrelevant.
>
> "There isn't anything inherently Muslim about the violence: Islamic groups
> appear to have played no part in stirring up the trouble, and few rioters
> seem to be using Islam to justify their attacks. On the contrary, many
> Islamic groups say they are trying to calm things down."
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1131..._news_euro pe
>
> If there's nothing inherently Muslim, it does no more good to mention that
> the majority of the poor immigrants are Muslim than it does to mention that
> the majority of the poor immigrants are black.
>
> "Why is the press afraid to use the word 'black' instead of 'immigrant'?"
>
> How does that sound?
>
>
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/e...lace_Baghd ad

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"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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>
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/e...France_rioters
_Each_night_we_make_this_place_Baghdad

Watch a show doing the rounds called Gunners Palace.

At one point, one of the GI's genuinely asks one of the Iraqi interpreters
why the Islamic Fascists are killing Iraqi's.

His answer was "Becasue the dont want peace. They want war. Without war,
they have no chance to become martyr."

Or words to that effect.

dazed and confuzzed a écrit :

> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>
> > Updated: 09:43 AM EST
> > Europe Fears Violence Similar to France's
> > By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, AP
> >
> > ROME (Nov. 7) - Europeans expressed fears Monday of copycat outbreaks of
> > violence among their immigrant communities as rioting and arson attacks
> > spread in France.
>
> Why is the press afraid to use the word "muslim" instead of "immigrant"???

Because this would be even more inaccurate?

In France people are generally not religious. This also applies to
people whose family were originally Muslim. Therefore trying to define
whole populations by their (supposed) religious affiliations would be
grossly inaccurate.

You can call these suburbs "immigrant communities" but actually the
term "immigrants" would mostly apply to the rioters' parents or
grand-parents. Their sons and daughters were born in France and are
French.

Now of course today the trend is to view everything through the
Islamist angle.

But the existence of a large number of desperate and violent youths
with a Muslim background is something the Islamist did not create,
though they should be keen to exploit it. They were not the one
designing the failed policies pursued over several decades.

Cheers,

Froggy

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> Updated: 09:43 AM EST
> Europe Fears Violence Similar to France's
> By VICTOR L. SIMPSON, AP
>

And...it didn't spread.


Keep on wishing


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>"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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>
>>
>http://news.monstersandcritics.com/e...France_rioters
>_Each_night_we_make_this_place_Baghdad
>
>Watch a show doing the rounds called Gunners Palace.
>
>At one point, one of the GI's genuinely asks one of the Iraqi interpreters
>why the Islamic Fascists are killing Iraqi's.
>
>His answer was "Becasue the dont want peace. They want war. Without war,
>they have no chance to become martyr."
>
>Or words to that effect.
>
>

They wanna be a martyr? I'll be more than happy to help. I'll have
to reload after every 10 martyrs, though. I won't waste good .30-06
rounds on them. Or perhaps I should buy a nice Ruger Mark III and use
..22 lr.

If they want to die, send them to me.
--
dillon

Anyone who says grown men don't cry has never
taken a differential equations final.