Re: What happens to a dis-armed populace.

France Imposes Curfews as Riots Continue to Spread
Junior High School, Nursery School, City Bus Burned on 12th Night of Attacks
By JOCELYN GECKER, AP

PARIS (Nov. 8) - France will impose curfews under a state-of-emergency law
and call up police reservists to stop rioting that has spread out of Paris'
suburbs and into nearly 300 cities and towns across the country, the prime
minister said Monday, calling a return to order "our No. 1 responsibility."

<picture>A French officer holds a shotgun shell recovered after police
came under fire in Grigny, south of Paris. **

The tough new measures came as France's worst civil unrest in decades
entered a 12th night, with rioters in the southern city of Toulouse setting
fire to a bus after sundown after ordering passengers off, and elsewhere
pelting police with gasoline bombs and rocks and torching a nursery school.

Outside the capital in Sevran, a junior high school was set ablaze, while in
another Paris suburb, Vitry-sur-Seine, youths threw gasoline bombs at a
hospital, police said. No one was injured. Earlier, a 61-year-old retired
auto worker died of wounds from an attack last week, the first death in the
violence.

Rioting across the country left 1,173 cars burned in 226 towns overnight
Monday-Tuesday, figures that showed the intensity of violence had decreased
from the previous night, police said Tuesday. Vandals burned 1,408 cars
overnight Sunday-Monday and attacks were reported in nearly 300 towns.

Police made 330 arrests during night, National Police Chief Michel Gaudin
told a news conference. "The intensity of this violence is on the way down,"
he said.

Asked on TF1 television whether the army should be brought in, Prime
Minister Dominique de Villepin said, "We are not at that point."

But "at each step, we will take the necessary measures to re-establish order
very quickly throughout France," he said. "That is our prime duty: ensuring
everyone's protection."

Foreign governments warned their citizens to be careful in France. Apparent
copycat attacks took place outside France, with five cars torched outside
the main train station in Brussels, Belgium. German police were
investigating the burning of five cars in Berlin.

National police spokesman Patrick Hamon said there was a "considerable
decrease" in the number of incidents overnight into Tuesday in the Paris
region.

The violence started Oct. 27 among youths in a northeastern Paris suburb
angry over the accidental deaths of two teenagers but has grown into a
nationwide insurrection.

The mayhem is forcing France to confront anger building for decades in
neglected suburbs and among the French-born children of Arab and black
African immigrants. The teenagers whose deaths sparked the rioting were of
Mauritanian and Tunisian descent. They were electrocuted as they hid from
police in a power substation, apparently thinking they were being chased.

President Jacques Chirac, in private comments more conciliatory than his
warnings Sunday that rioters would be caught and punished, acknowledged in a
meeting Monday with Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga that France has
not integrated immigrant youths, she said.

Chirac deplored the "ghettoization of youths of African or North African
origin" and recognized "the incapacity of French society to fully accept
them," said Vike-Freiberga.

France "has not done everything possible for these youths, supported them so
they feel understood, heard and respected," Chirac added, noting that
unemployment runs as high as 40 percent in some suburbs, four times the
national rate, according to Vike-Freiberga.

In violence Monday, vandals burned churches, schools and businesses, and
injured 36 police officers in clashes around the country, setting a new high
for arson and violence, said France's national police chief, Michel Gaudin.

"This spread, with a sort of shock wave spreading across the country, shows
up in the number of towns affected," Gaudin said.

In terms of material destruction, the unrest is France's worst since World
War II - and never has rioting struck so many different French cities
simultaneously, said security expert Sebastian Roche, a director of research
at the state-funded National Center for Scientific Research.

Villepin said curfews will be imposed under a 1955 law that allows the
declaring of a state of emergency in parts or all of France. The law was
passed to curb unrest in Algeria during the war that led to its
independence.

He said 1,500 reservists were being called up to reinforce the 8,000 police
and gendarmes already deployed. The Cabinet will meet Tuesday to authorize
curfews "wherever it is necessary," he said.

"The multiplying acts of destruction, the destruction of schools and sports
centers, thousands of cars set on fire, all of this is unacceptable and
inexcusable," he said. "To all in France who are watching me, who are
disturbed by this, who are shocked, who want to see a return to normalcy, a
return to security, the state's response - I say it tonight forcefully -
will be firm and just."

Villepin said "organized criminal networks" are backing the violence and
youths taking part are treating it as a "game," trying to outdo each other.
He did not rule out the possibility that radical Islamists are involved,
saying: "That element must not be neglected." France's community of Muslims,
at some 5 million, is western Europe's largest.

Local government officials will be able to impose curfews "if they think it
will be useful to permit a return to calm and ensure the protection of
residents. That is our No. 1 responsibility," the prime minister said.

A Socialist opposition leader, Francois Hollande, said his party would
closely watch to make sure the curfew law is applied properly.

"This law cannot be applied everywhere, and it cannot be long-lasting,"
Hollande said. He said Villepin should have put more emphasis on improving
life in tough neighborhoods and said the premier's proposals were vague.

Villepin said he wanted to speed up a $35.5 billion urban redevelopment
plan, triple the number of merit scholarships for talented students and
offer jobs, training or internships to disadvantaged young people.

"We must offer them hope and a future," he said.

But nearly 600 people were in custody Monday night, and fast-track trials
were being used to punish rioters.

France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic
Organizations of France, issued a religious decree against the violence. It
prohibited all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action
that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others."

The first fatality was identified as 61-year-old Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec.
He was trying to extinguish a trash can fire Friday at his housing project
in the northeastern Paris suburb of Stains when an attacker caught him by
surprise and beat him into a coma, police said.

"They have to stop this stupidity," his widow, Nicole, told Associated Press
Television News of the rioting. "It's going nowhere."

Associated Press Writers John Leicester

**Editor's note (that would be me).

Two French police officers wounded the the BIRDSHOT aforementioned as
"totally harmless" by Canadian Rec.scuban.

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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You still have a problem with your email address...

> "Villepin said he wanted to speed up a $35.5 billion urban redevelopment
> plan, triple the number of merit scholarships for talented students and
> offer jobs, training or internships to disadvantaged young people.

Typical leftist bullshit... They get rewarded for destroying things...

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11n1bdsc4bvuqef@news.supernews.com...
>
> You still have a problem with your email address...
>
>
>>"Villepin said he wanted to speed up a $35.5 billion urban redevelopment
>>plan, triple the number of merit scholarships for talented students and
>>offer jobs, training or internships to disadvantaged young people.
>
>
> Typical leftist bullshit... They get rewarded for destroying things...
>
>

Is that like the army giving you medals...?

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> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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> You still have a problem with your email address...

I think I fixed it.

Home computer.

I got an Exorcist coming to purge AOL...


>
> > "Villepin said he wanted to speed up a $35.5 billion urban redevelopment
> > plan, triple the number of merit scholarships for talented students and
> > offer jobs, training or internships to disadvantaged young people.
>
> Typical leftist bullshit... They get rewarded for destroying things...
>
>

Grumman-581 a écrit :

> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:11n1bdsc4bvuqef@news.supernews.com...
>
> You still have a problem with your email address...
>
> > "Villepin said he wanted to speed up a $35.5 billion urban redevelopment
> > plan, triple the number of merit scholarships for talented students and
> > offer jobs, training or internships to disadvantaged young people.
>
> Typical leftist bullshit... They get rewarded for destroying things...

The irony is that Villepin is not left wing (by our standards).

But yes they are rewarding the vandals, in a way.

This government consistently reduced funding for social help in the
suburbs, slashed job programs aimed at the untrained, etc and only
discovered that they served a purpose once things got out of hand.

And a lot of the "promises" such as the scholarships etc. are only a
re-packaging of existing commitments.

And of course they'll never be able to make good on their promises (you
cannot just create jobs of fight prejudice by decree, and there is
simply no cash to fund this 35 Bn program...) so this will come and hit
us back some time in the future...

But the message will be that you only get attention by burning a
inordinately large number of cars (about 20-30,000 cars have been
burned since the beginning of the years, *excluding* the recent
events).

Rejoicing prospects...

Cheers,

Froggy

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But the message will be that you only get attention by burning a
inordinately large number of cars (about 20-30,000 cars have been
burned since the beginning of the years, *excluding* the recent
events).


BMWs, Mercedes, Renaults, Peugeots and Saabs.

No big loss.

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" wrote in message
news:11n1mt37v89p948@news.supernews.com...
> For those that understand, the vast majority of valorous citations are
for
> saving the lives of buddies.

Yep, destroying things is just part of the normal everyday job
description... They can't give you a medal for just doing your job, right?

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:

> France Imposes Curfews as Riots Continue to Spread
> Junior High School, Nursery School, City Bus Burned on 12th Night of Attacks
> By JOCELYN GECKER, AP
>
> PARIS (Nov. 8) - France will impose curfews under a state-of-emergency law
> and call up police reservists to stop rioting that has spread out of Paris'
> suburbs and into nearly 300 cities and towns across the country, the prime
> minister said Monday, calling a return to order "our No. 1 responsibility."
>
> <picture>A French officer holds a shotgun shell recovered after police
> came under fire in Grigny, south of Paris. **
>
> The tough new measures came as France's worst civil unrest in decades
> entered a 12th night, with rioters in the southern city of Toulouse setting
> fire to a bus after sundown after ordering passengers off, and elsewhere
> pelting police with gasoline bombs and rocks and torching a nursery school.
>
> Outside the capital in Sevran, a junior high school was set ablaze, while in
> another Paris suburb, Vitry-sur-Seine, youths threw gasoline bombs at a
> hospital, police said. No one was injured. Earlier, a 61-year-old retired
> auto worker died of wounds from an attack last week, the first death in the
> violence.
>
> Rioting across the country left 1,173 cars burned in 226 towns overnight
> Monday-Tuesday, figures that showed the intensity of violence had decreased
> from the previous night, police said Tuesday. Vandals burned 1,408 cars
> overnight Sunday-Monday and attacks were reported in nearly 300 towns.
>
> Police made 330 arrests during night, National Police Chief Michel Gaudin
> told a news conference. "The intensity of this violence is on the way down,"
> he said.
>
> Asked on TF1 television whether the army should be brought in, Prime
> Minister Dominique de Villepin said, "We are not at that point."
>
> But "at each step, we will take the necessary measures to re-establish order
> very quickly throughout France," he said. "That is our prime duty: ensuring
> everyone's protection."
>
> Foreign governments warned their citizens to be careful in France. Apparent
> copycat attacks took place outside France, with five cars torched outside
> the main train station in Brussels, Belgium. German police were
> investigating the burning of five cars in Berlin.
>
> National police spokesman Patrick Hamon said there was a "considerable
> decrease" in the number of incidents overnight into Tuesday in the Paris
> region.
>
> The violence started Oct. 27 among youths in a northeastern Paris suburb
> angry over the accidental deaths of two teenagers but has grown into a
> nationwide insurrection.
>
> The mayhem is forcing France to confront anger building for decades in
> neglected suburbs and among the French-born children of Arab and black
> African immigrants. The teenagers whose deaths sparked the rioting were of
> Mauritanian and Tunisian descent. They were electrocuted as they hid from
> police in a power substation, apparently thinking they were being chased.
>
> President Jacques Chirac, in private comments more conciliatory than his
> warnings Sunday that rioters would be caught and punished, acknowledged in a
> meeting Monday with Latvian President Vaira Vike-Freiberga that France has
> not integrated immigrant youths, she said.
>
> Chirac deplored the "ghettoization of youths of African or North African
> origin" and recognized "the incapacity of French society to fully accept
> them," said Vike-Freiberga.
>
> France "has not done everything possible for these youths, supported them so
> they feel understood, heard and respected," Chirac added, noting that
> unemployment runs as high as 40 percent in some suburbs, four times the
> national rate, according to Vike-Freiberga.
>
> In violence Monday, vandals burned churches, schools and businesses, and
> injured 36 police officers in clashes around the country, setting a new high
> for arson and violence, said France's national police chief, Michel Gaudin.
>
> "This spread, with a sort of shock wave spreading across the country, shows
> up in the number of towns affected," Gaudin said.
>
> In terms of material destruction, the unrest is France's worst since World
> War II - and never has rioting struck so many different French cities
> simultaneously, said security expert Sebastian Roche, a director of research
> at the state-funded National Center for Scientific Research.
>
> Villepin said curfews will be imposed under a 1955 law that allows the
> declaring of a state of emergency in parts or all of France. The law was
> passed to curb unrest in Algeria during the war that led to its
> independence.
>
> He said 1,500 reservists were being called up to reinforce the 8,000 police
> and gendarmes already deployed. The Cabinet will meet Tuesday to authorize
> curfews "wherever it is necessary," he said.
>
> "The multiplying acts of destruction, the destruction of schools and sports
> centers, thousands of cars set on fire, all of this is unacceptable and
> inexcusable," he said. "To all in France who are watching me, who are
> disturbed by this, who are shocked, who want to see a return to normalcy, a
> return to security, the state's response - I say it tonight forcefully -
> will be firm and just."
>
> Villepin said "organized criminal networks" are backing the violence and
> youths taking part are treating it as a "game," trying to outdo each other.
> He did not rule out the possibility that radical Islamists are involved,
> saying: "That element must not be neglected." France's community of Muslims,
> at some 5 million, is western Europe's largest.
>
> Local government officials will be able to impose curfews "if they think it
> will be useful to permit a return to calm and ensure the protection of
> residents. That is our No. 1 responsibility," the prime minister said.
>
> A Socialist opposition leader, Francois Hollande, said his party would
> closely watch to make sure the curfew law is applied properly.
>
> "This law cannot be applied everywhere, and it cannot be long-lasting,"
> Hollande said. He said Villepin should have put more emphasis on improving
> life in tough neighborhoods and said the premier's proposals were vague.
>
> Villepin said he wanted to speed up a $35.5 billion urban redevelopment
> plan, triple the number of merit scholarships for talented students and
> offer jobs, training or internships to disadvantaged young people.
>
> "We must offer them hope and a future," he said.
>
> But nearly 600 people were in custody Monday night, and fast-track trials
> were being used to punish rioters.
>
> France's biggest Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Union for Islamic
> Organizations of France, issued a religious decree against the violence. It
> prohibited all those "who seek divine grace from taking part in any action
> that blindly strikes private or public property or can harm others."
>
> The first fatality was identified as 61-year-old Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec.
> He was trying to extinguish a trash can fire Friday at his housing project
> in the northeastern Paris suburb of Stains when an attacker caught him by
> surprise and beat him into a coma, police said.
>
> "They have to stop this stupidity," his widow, Nicole, told Associated Press
> Television News of the rioting. "It's going nowhere."
>
> Associated Press Writers John Leicester
>
> **Editor's note (that would be me).
>
> Two French police officers wounded the the BIRDSHOT aforementioned as
> "totally harmless" by Canadian Rec.scuban.
>
>
>
Like I said, Muslim.

Popeye: I left your original post uncut so that those who doubted could
read it again.



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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> "Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> But the message will be that you only get attention by burning a
> inordinately large number of cars (about 20-30,000 cars have been
> burned since the beginning of the years, *excluding* the recent
> events).
>
>
> BMWs, Mercedes, Renaults, Peugeots and Saabs.
>
> No big loss.
>
>

You forgot Citroen...

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> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> > "Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1131469082.145485.8740@g43g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > But the message will be that you only get attention by burning a
> > inordinately large number of cars (about 20-30,000 cars have been
> > burned since the beginning of the years, *excluding* the recent
> > events).
> >
> >
> > BMWs, Mercedes, Renaults, Peugeots and Saabs.
> >
> > No big loss.
> >
> >
>
> You forgot Citroen...

My mind was probably blocking it...


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