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"Doug Frederick" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message news:...

>>>>> > In France it is not considered acceptable to use deadly force to
>>>>> > protect property (at least not to protect cars).
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh well, then I guess you deserve what you get...
>>>>
>>>> You mean a lower level of property crime, a lower murder rate and
>>>> less people in jail?
>>>>
>>>> Well, that's a small price to pay.
>>>
>>>
>>> No car, no job, no schools, no shops?
>>
>> Perhaps you don't know this, but there are far more schools, jobs, shops
>> and cars than the (relative) few that were burned.
>>
>>>
>>> Afraid to walk the streets?
>>
>> What gave you that idea?
>>
>>>
>>> Spoken like someone well acquainted with waving gaily at passing
>>> German
>>> hardware.
>>
>> Yeah, BMWs are nice cars...
>
> Spoken by someone just as well acquainted.

More Cars Torched in France Overnight
Nov 12 6:56 AM US/Eastern
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By ELAINE GANLEY
Associated Press Writer


PARIS


The number of cars torched overnight in France climbed slightly over the
previous night to 502 in a 16th night of unrest that took its heaviest toll
on the French provinces, police said Saturday.

Security was boosted in the capital with some 3,000 police officers fanning
out around strategic points to counter feared weekend attacks targeting
Paris. Gatherings were banned from Saturday morning until Sunday morning.



"We returned to an almost normal situation in Ile de France," said national
police chief Michel Gaudin, referring to the Paris region. Arson attacks
were counted in 163 towns around France, he said. The count of those
detained overnight stood at 206, bringing to 2,440 the number of suspects
picked up in just over two weeks of unrest.

Two Molotov cocktails were tossed at a mosque Friday evening in the southern
town of Carpentras, but it was not immediately clear whether the attack was
linked to the unrest that has wracked the poor suburbs and small towns of
France since Oct. 27. President Jacques Chirac demanded that investigators
quickly find out who was behind the attack.


Tear gas, unrest spread to Lyon



PARIS (Reuters) - French security forces fired tear gas to disperse youths
in Lyon on Saturday in the first sign of unrest in a city center after more
than two weeks of civil disturbances in outlying suburbs of towns and
cities.

Ten people were arrested in France's second city after 50 youths attacked
stalls and damaged vehicles, police and witnesses said, adding that the
situation later calmed down.

In a 17th night of violence, 76 cars were torched around the country and a
riot policeman was injured after being hit by a metal ball thrown from an
apartment block in a suburb outside Paris, police said.

A school was also burned down in Carpentras, a town in southern France where
on Friday two firebombs were thrown at a mosque in an incident condemned by
President Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin and
religious leaders.


Rioting by youths angered by unemployment, racism and lack of opportunities
has generally dropped in intensity since Chirac's government announced
emergency measures, including curfews, on Tuesday.


After violence rose slightly on Friday, regional authorities for the first
time declared a curfew for minors in Lyon, a city of 1.2 million southeast
of Paris.


Thousands of French police patrolled central Paris on Saturday to enforce a
ban on large gatherings and prevent the unrest reaching the heart of the
capital, including targets such as the Eiffel Tower.


Police said they had monitored calls for violence on Internet sites and that
potential targets included the Champs Elysees and the Eiffel Tower.


By 11 p.m. (2200 GMT) there were no reports of disturbances in central
Paris, though Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy was heckled when he
inspected security forces in the Champs Elysees by people who called for his
resignation, witnesses said.


RIOTING


The number of cars set ablaze by rioters rose slightly again on Friday
night.


Some 500 vehicles were set ablaze across France, compared to 463 the
previous night, and unrest hit areas including Strasbourg, Marseille, Lyon
and Lille. But there were fewer incidents of violence in the Paris suburbs,
police said.


"We've gone back to an almost normal situation in Ile de France (greater
Paris region)," national police chief Michel Gaudin told reporters.


The Paris ban on large gatherings went into force at 10 a.m. (0900 GMT) and
was due to run until 8 a.m. (0700 GMT) on Sunday. The heart of the city has
largely escaped the violence that has plagued impoverished neighborhoods
just outside the city.


Three thousand extra police were brought into Paris on Friday, the Armistice
holiday marking the end of World War One.


The unrest was triggered by the accidental deaths of two youths who were
electrocuted on October 27 as they hid in a power substation just north of
Paris while apparently fleeing police. It later spread to other cities and
towns across France.


Chirac and the government have been heavily criticized over their handling
of the rioting, involving white youths as well as French citizens of Arab
and African origin.


The worst unrest in France in 40 years has added a new dimension to the
rivalry between Sarkozy and Villepin ahead of presidential elections in
2007.


Some 53 percent surveyed in an opinion poll said they had confidence in
Sarkozy to deal with problems in the suburbs, 52 percent said they were
confident in Villepin, while 29 percent expressed confidence in Chirac.


Some 950 people were surveyed for the poll to be published in Le Journal du
Dimanche newspaper on Sunday. Those surveyed were asked whether they had
confidence in each of a list of political leaders.


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"Doug Frederick" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
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> "Doug Frederick" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
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>
>>>>>> > In France it is not considered acceptable to use deadly force
>>>>>> > to protect property (at least not to protect cars).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh well, then I guess you deserve what you get...
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean a lower level of property crime, a lower murder rate and
>>>>> less people in jail?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that's a small price to pay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No car, no job, no schools, no shops?
>>>
>>> Perhaps you don't know this, but there are far more schools, jobs,
>>> shops and cars than the (relative) few that were burned.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Afraid to walk the streets?
>>>
>>> What gave you that idea?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spoken like someone well acquainted with waving gaily at passing
>>>> German
>>>> hardware.
>>>
>>> Yeah, BMWs are nice cars...
>>
>> Spoken by someone just as well acquainted.
>
> More Cars Torched in France Overnight
> Nov 12 6:56 AM US/Eastern
> Email this story
>
> By ELAINE GANLEY
> Associated Press Writer
>

BMWs?




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