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Popeye wrote:
> http://www.powmadeak47.com/index.html

You must be real bored today.
You forgot to mention tinfoil, hinting that I believe in GOP
conspiracys.

Abramoff charge - conspiracy - plea - guilty.
Cunningham charge - conspiracy - plea - guilty.
Harris - soon to be charged - conspiracy?
http://tinyurl.com/aaosz
Etc.

If you want to play with websites, go here. Every subject in this
database lists references so you won't have to continue making shit up.


http://tinyurl.com/4yuet

sample:
Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 5/17/2002

Quote/Claim:
"Had I known that the enemy was going to use airplanes to kill on that
fateful morning, I would have done everything in my power to protect
the American people. [Source: White House Web site]"

Fact:
"White House officials acknowledged that U.S. intelligence officials
informed President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that bin
Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes." -
ABC, 3/16/02

A Congressional inqiry into intelligence activities before Sept. 11
found 12 reports over a seven-year period suggesting that terrorists
might use airplanes as weapons. - NY Times, 4/4/04"


Topic: September 11th

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 4/13/2004

Quote/Claim:
"And the answer is that had I had any inkling whatsoever that the
people were going to fly airplanes into buildings, we would have moved
heaven and earth to save the country, just like we're working hard to
prevent a further attack. [Source: White House Web site]"

Fact:
"In April and May 2001, for example, the intelligence community
headlined some of those reports 'Bin Laden planning multiple
operations,' 'Bin Laden network's plans advancing' and 'Bin Laden
threats are real.' The intelligence included reports of a hostage plot
against Americans. It noted that operatives might choose to hijack an
aircraft or storm a U.S. embassy. - Washington Post, 4/14/04

Before 9/11 a regional sector of the North American Aerospace Defense
Command (NORAD) simulated a foreign hijacked airliner crashing into a
building in the United States as part of training exercise scenario. -
CNN, 4/19/04

U.S. and Italian officials were warned in July of 2001 that Islamic
terrorists might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by
crashing an airliner into the Genoa summit of industrialized nations. -
LA Times, 9/27/01"

Reference Reference Reference

Topic: September 11th

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 4/13/2004

Quote/Claim:
"There was nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think the
prior government that could envision flying airplanes into buildings.
[Source: White House Web site] "

Fact:
"U.S. and Italian officials were warned in July that Islamic terrorists
might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an
airliner into the Genoa summit of industrialized nations, officials
said Wednesday. - LA Times, 9/27/01

Despite official assertions that the U.S. had little reason to suspect
before Sept. 11 that airliners would be used as weapons, there is new
evidence that the federal government had on several earlier occasions
taken elaborate, secret measures to protect special events from just
such an attack...on several occasions starting in the mid-1990s, U.S.
intelligence agencies had passed on information concerning such a
possibility, including early plans by al Qaeda officials to use
passenger jets as kamikaze weapons, according to records and current
and former government officials. - WSJ, 4/1/04

Two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, an analysis prepared for U.S.
intelligence warned that Osama bin Laden's terrorists could hijack an
airli"

Topic: September 11th

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 4/12/2004

Quote/Claim:
"The report was kind of a history of Osama's intentions, I guess is the
best way to put it, kind of a history of what the agency had known."
[Source: White House Web site]"

Fact:
"President Bush was asked a day earlier about the August 6 memo: Wasn't
that current threat information [in the PDB]? That wasn't historical,
that was ongoing?" He responded: Right. - White House transcript"


Topic: September 11th

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 4/11/2004

Quote/Claim:
"I am satisfied that I never saw any intelligence that indicated there
was going to be an attack on America - at a time and a place, an
attack. [Source: White House Web site]"

Fact:
"The Aug. 6 report to Mr. Bush that was released Saturday evening was
titled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.' It cited evidence of
active Qaeda cells in the United States, as well as reports that
members of the terrorist organization had conducted recent surveillance
of a federal building in Manhattan and could be preparing to stage
hijackings. - NY Times, 4/12/04

By the time a CIA briefer gave President Bush the Aug. 6, 2001,
President's Daily Brief headlined Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US,
the president had seen a stream of alarming reports on al Qaeda's
intentions. So had Vice President Cheney and Bush's top national
security team, according to newly declassified information released
yesterday by the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
In April and May 2001, for example, the intelligence community
headlined some of those reports 'Bin Laden planning multiple
operations,' 'Bin Laden network's plans advancing' and 'Bin Laden
threats are real.'"

Topic: September 11th

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 2/8/2004

Quote/Claim:
"We have given extraordinary cooperation with Chairmen Kean and
Hamilton. [Source: Meet the Press transcript]"

Fact:
"At the time of President Bush's appearance on Meet The Press, the
White House had consistently stonewalled the 9/11 commission. According
to the Baltimore Sun, President Bush opposed the outside inquiry into
September 11th. When Congress forced him to relent, Time Magazine
reported he tried to choke its funding, noting, the White House brushed
off a request quietly made by 9-11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean for
adequate funding. Then, the NY Times reported, President Bush declined
to commit the White House to turning over highly classified
intelligence reports to the independent federal commission
investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, despite public
threats of a subpoena from the bipartisan panel. And as the Akron
Beacon Journal reported in mid-February, the 9/11 panel did not receive
the speedy cooperation it expected. In a preliminary report during the
summer of '03, the panel's co-chairmen, Thomas Kean, a Republican and
former governor of New Jersey, and Le"


Topic: September 11th

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 2/2/2004

Quote/Claim:
"I'm putting together an independent, bipartisan commission to analyze
where we stand [on intelligence]. [Source: White House Web site]"

Fact:
"A senior Bush administration official said Monday that the president
will name the members of the commission himself. Because of this lack
of independence, [c]urrent and former U.S officials fear that Bush will
try to limit the inquiry's scope to the CIA and other agencies and
ignore the key role the Bush administration's own internal intelligence
efforts played. - CNN, 2/3/04, AP, 2/3/04"


Topic: September 11th

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 12/4/2001

Quote/Claim:
"I knew I needed to act. I knew that if the nation's under attack, the
role of the Commander-In-Chief is to respond forcefully to prevent
other attacks from happening. And so, I've talked to the Secretary of
Defense; one of the first acts I did was to put our military on
alert." [Source: White House Web site] "

Fact:
"According to the 9/11 report, Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld was
responsible for going to Defcon 3. A footnote says that minutes the
attacks, Rumsfeld spoke to the Vice President, and he asked Rumsfeld to
run the issue by the President. At 10:45 conferees were told to 'hold
off ' on Defcon 3, but a minute later the order was reinstated.
Rumsfeld believed the matter was urgent and, having consulted DOD
directives, concluded he had the authority to issue the order and would
brief the President. Rumsfeld briefed the President on the decision at
11:15. - 9/11 Commission Report "


Topic: September 11th

Speaker: Bush, George - President

Date: 11/27/2002

Quote/Claim:
"We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the
11th. [Source: White House Web site]"

Fact:
"President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday
to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe
how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." - CBS
News, 5/23/02

Despite mounting evidence that most of the nation's intelligence
sleuths were clueless before the attacks, [President Bush] opposes
outside scrutiny - a stance that puts him at odds with most Senate
Democrats and some key Republican lawmakers." - Philadelphia
Inquirer, 6/2/02

"Charlie" <keysclub@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1141836071.827352.96820@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Popeye wrote:
>> http://www.powmadeak47.com/index.html
>
> You must be real bored today.

<snip the usual aid and comfort to the enemy>

I was, actually.

> You forgot to mention tinfoil, hinting that I believe in GOP
> conspiracys.

I think we've past the need to mention it.

Joe English wrote:

>
> I've got to stop this information is great, Charlie. Too bad is is as
> useless as you are.

>... Pictures? Those Abu Graibh photos are lies (and we won't release the other pictures).
>Baaaaa. ... But Clinton got a blowjob and that's all that really counts. ...

Joe English checks in with his grip on reallity and prioritys.

Those who went to jail over those pictures debunk you on the spot.
Your prez turns out to be a mass murderer for profit ( evil to the core
as predicted even before the PNAC machine stoled the election seating
their minion) and you still spout about blowjobs.

I hear its an endorphin thing with you fanatics in denial.

Charlie wrote:

> Joe English wrote:
>
>
>>I've got to stop this information is great, Charlie. Too bad is is as
>>useless as you are.
>
>
>>... Pictures? Those Abu Graibh photos are lies (and we won't release the other pictures).
>>Baaaaa. ... But Clinton got a blowjob and that's all that really counts. ...
>
>
> Joe English checks in with his grip on reallity and prioritys.
>
> Those who went to jail over those pictures debunk you on the spot.
> Your prez turns out to be a mass murderer for profit

Never seen any proof that can even lead to that discussion. But go
ahead in your fantasy world. I'm thru with you. Might and could do not
assert any credible information or action

( evil to the core
> as predicted even before the PNAC machine stoled the election seating
> their minion) and you still spout about blowjobs.
>
> I hear its an endorphin thing with you fanatics in denial.
>

"Charlie" <keysclub@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1141836071.827352.96820@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
> Popeye wrote:
> > http://www.powmadeak47.com/index.html
>
> You must be real bored today.
> You forgot to mention tinfoil, hinting that I believe in GOP
> conspiracys.
>
> Abramoff charge - conspiracy - plea - guilty.
> Cunningham charge - conspiracy - plea - guilty.
> Harris - soon to be charged - conspiracy?
> http://tinyurl.com/aaosz
> Etc.
>
> If you want to play with websites, go here. Every subject in this
> database lists references so you won't have to continue making shit up.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4yuet
>
> sample:
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 5/17/2002
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "Had I known that the enemy was going to use airplanes to kill on that
> fateful morning, I would have done everything in my power to protect
> the American people. [Source: White House Web site]"
>
> Fact:
> "White House officials acknowledged that U.S. intelligence officials
> informed President Bush weeks before the Sept. 11 attacks that bin
> Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes." -
> ABC, 3/16/02


You do understand the difference between "they might use aiplanes" vs
"they'll hijack planes on Sept 11th" right?
One is a theoretical possibility, the other is an actual plan.

Al Quaeda might use international calls to contact folks in the US. The NSA
wants to listen in on these conversations.
The Democrats are calling this "domestic spying".

>
> A Congressional inqiry into intelligence activities before Sept. 11
> found 12 reports over a seven-year period suggesting that terrorists
> might use airplanes as weapons. - NY Times, 4/4/04"
>

I'm sure you can find lots of reports suggestingt that terrorists are also
crossing the border illegally.
Make any suggestion about strengthening border security though, and one gets
decried as racist.
You'll aso be able to find many reports suggesting they might use all kinds
of things.
Heck, we had reports suggesting that Iraq might have WMDs. We beleived those
reports and so invaded Iraq.
Are you now for that?

>
> Topic: September 11th
>
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 4/13/2004
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "And the answer is that had I had any inkling whatsoever that the
> people were going to fly airplanes into buildings, we would have moved
> heaven and earth to save the country, just like we're working hard to
> prevent a further attack. [Source: White House Web site]"
>
> Fact:
> "In April and May 2001, for example, the intelligence community
> headlined some of those reports 'Bin Laden planning multiple
> operations,' 'Bin Laden network's plans advancing' and 'Bin Laden
> threats are real.' The intelligence included reports of a hostage plot
> against Americans. It noted that operatives might choose to hijack an
> aircraft or storm a U.S. embassy. - Washington Post, 4/14/04

Again, there's a difference between trying to figure out what Al Quaeda
might do, vs what they had actually planned to do
You do see that, right?
Too bad we didnt have the Patriot act or the NSA listening programs then,
hmmm? Might've had a better idea of what was going on. Or hey, maybe some
profiling - "if you see a group of folks with boxcutters passing through
security, don't allow 'em to board.

>
> Before 9/11 a regional sector of the North American Aerospace Defense
> Command (NORAD) simulated a foreign hijacked airliner crashing into a
> building in the United States as part of training exercise scenario. -
> CNN, 4/19/04

Perhaps they should've had a (or two, or three, or four) domestic hijacked
airliner(s) as well?

>
> U.S. and Italian officials were warned in July of 2001 that Islamic
> terrorists might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by
> crashing an airliner into the Genoa summit of industrialized nations. -
> LA Times, 9/27/01"

We were also warned that Iraq was trying to buy yellowcake uranium from
Nigeria.
And, IIRC, trhe Czech ntelligence service still stands by their report of
Atta meeting an Iraqi intelligence official.
Believe that report as well?

>
> Reference Reference Reference
>
> Topic: September 11th
>
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 4/13/2004
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "There was nobody in our government, at least, and I don't think the
> prior government that could envision flying airplanes into buildings.
> [Source: White House Web site] "
>
> Fact:
> "U.S. and Italian officials were warned in July that Islamic terrorists
> might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an
> airliner into the Genoa summit of industrialized nations, officials
> said Wednesday. - LA Times, 9/27/01

Hmm....still repeating that, hmm?
I'm surprised that you don't mention the plane that crashed into the white
house back in 1994

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V114/N40/crash.40w.html

>
> Despite official assertions that the U.S. had little reason to suspect
> before Sept. 11 that airliners would be used as weapons, there is new
> evidence that the federal government had on several earlier occasions
> taken elaborate, secret measures to protect special events from just
> such an attack...on several occasions starting in the mid-1990s, U.S.
> intelligence agencies had passed on information concerning such a
> possibility, including early plans by al Qaeda officials to use
> passenger jets as kamikaze weapons, according to records and current
> and former government officials. - WSJ, 4/1/04

Special events, like, say, a conference where multiple heads of state will
be present.
There, you have a pretty good idea of who the targets would be.

You have a finite set of resources - which buildings do you protect?
Ones in Seattle? Chicago? LA? San Francisco? New York. New Orleans?

>
> Two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, an analysis prepared for U.S.
> intelligence warned that Osama bin Laden's terrorists could hijack an
> airli"

And all previous hijackings were more of a hostage situation - not kamikaze.

>
> Topic: September 11th
>
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 4/12/2004
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "The report was kind of a history of Osama's intentions, I guess is the
> best way to put it, kind of a history of what the agency had known."
> [Source: White House Web site]"
>
> Fact:
> "President Bush was asked a day earlier about the August 6 memo: Wasn't
> that current threat information [in the PDB]? That wasn't historical,
> that was ongoing?" He responded: Right. - White House transcript"
>
>
> Topic: September 11th
>
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 4/11/2004
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "I am satisfied that I never saw any intelligence that indicated there
> was going to be an attack on America - at a time and a place, an
> attack. [Source: White House Web site]"
>
> Fact:
> "The Aug. 6 report to Mr. Bush that was released Saturday evening was
> titled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.' It cited evidence of
> active Qaeda cells in the United States, as well as reports that
> members of the terrorist organization had conducted recent surveillance
> of a federal building in Manhattan and could be preparing to stage
> hijackings. - NY Times, 4/12/04

Still didn't mention a specific time & place. You did read the PDB right?

Too bad the FBI didn't searh Moussaui's computer.
Or listening to his phone calls.

>
> By the time a CIA briefer gave President Bush the Aug. 6, 2001,
> President's Daily Brief headlined Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US,
> the president had seen a stream of alarming reports on al Qaeda's
> intentions. So had Vice President Cheney and Bush's top national
> security team, according to newly declassified information released
> yesterday by the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
> In April and May 2001, for example, the intelligence community
> headlined some of those reports 'Bin Laden planning multiple
> operations,' 'Bin Laden network's plans advancing' and 'Bin Laden
> threats are real.'"

So Clinton screwed the pooch when this admin turned down Sudan's offer to
arrest & hand him over to the US, right?

>
> Topic: September 11th
>
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 2/8/2004
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "We have given extraordinary cooperation with Chairmen Kean and
> Hamilton. [Source: Meet the Press transcript]"
>
> Fact:
> "At the time of President Bush's appearance on Meet The Press, the
> White House had consistently stonewalled the 9/11 commission. According
> to the Baltimore Sun, President Bush opposed the outside inquiry into
> September 11th. When Congress forced him to relent, Time Magazine
> reported he tried to choke its funding, noting, the White House brushed
> off a request quietly made by 9-11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean for
> adequate funding. Then, the NY Times reported, President Bush declined
> to commit the White House to turning over highly classified
> intelligence reports to the independent federal commission
> investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, despite public
> threats of a subpoena from the bipartisan panel. And as the Akron
> Beacon Journal reported in mid-February, the 9/11 panel did not receive
> the speedy cooperation it expected. In a preliminary report during the
> summer of '03, the panel's co-chairmen, Thomas Kean, a Republican and
> former governor of New Jersey, and Le"

Uhmmm...Charlie.....funding & the budget all originate with the house of
representatives.
Thats one check of the legislative over the executive.

And stragely, the commission nver had Jamie Gorelick testify about the wall
between law enforcement & foreign intelligence.
Would've helped to "connect the dots"

>
>
> Topic: September 11th
>
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 2/2/2004
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "I'm putting together an independent, bipartisan commission to analyze
> where we stand [on intelligence]. [Source: White House Web site]"
>
> Fact:
> "A senior Bush administration official said Monday that the president
> will name the members of the commission himself. Because of this lack
> of independence, [c]urrent and former U.S officials fear that Bush will
> try to limit the inquiry's scope to the CIA and other agencies and
> ignore the key role the Bush administration's own internal intelligence
> efforts played. - CNN, 2/3/04, AP, 2/3/04"

And that didnt happen, did it?


>
>
> Topic: September 11th
>
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 12/4/2001
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "I knew I needed to act. I knew that if the nation's under attack, the
> role of the Commander-In-Chief is to respond forcefully to prevent
> other attacks from happening. And so, I've talked to the Secretary of
> Defense; one of the first acts I did was to put our military on
> alert." [Source: White House Web site] "
>
> Fact:
> "According to the 9/11 report, Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld was
> responsible for going to Defcon 3. A footnote says that minutes the
> attacks, Rumsfeld spoke to the Vice President, and he asked Rumsfeld to
> run the issue by the President. At 10:45 conferees were told to 'hold
> off ' on Defcon 3, but a minute later the order was reinstated.
> Rumsfeld believed the matter was urgent and, having consulted DOD
> directives, concluded he had the authority to issue the order and would
> brief the President. Rumsfeld briefed the President on the decision at
> 11:15. - 9/11 Commission Report "
>
>
> Topic: September 11th
>
> Speaker: Bush, George - President
>
> Date: 11/27/2002
>
> Quote/Claim:
> "We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the
> 11th. [Source: White House Web site]"
>
> Fact:
> "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday
> to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe
> how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." - CBS
> News, 5/23/02
>
> Despite mounting evidence that most of the nation's intelligence
> sleuths were clueless before the attacks, [President Bush] opposes
> outside scrutiny - a stance that puts him at odds with most Senate
> Democrats and some key Republican lawmakers." - Philadelphia
> Inquirer, 6/2/02
>

So in your view, the onl way to uncover waht mayve gone wrong is with a
commission?
And yet, they missed Able Danger...no,,,that right...the commission was
informed of it, but ignored it.


Dennis

"Charlie" wrote

> Your prez turns out to be a mass murderer for profit . . .

Shitfire, son, is that all that bothers you? Hell, that's true of every
leader of every country in the modern world.

It's not that they kill for money that's the problem, it's who they kill and
who gets the money.

Lee

Joe English wrote:

> I'm thru with you.

Fair enough Joe English.
I'm pretty sick of this crap myself.
Heart sick for what has happened to OUR nation and the stolen promises
it held for our kids.

Its going to take a lot of work to put US back on track.

"Charlie" <keysclub@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1141916737.187805.315470@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Joe English wrote:
>
>> I'm thru with you.
>
> Fair enough Joe English.
> I'm pretty sick of this crap myself.
> Heart sick for what has happened to OUR nation and the stolen promises
> it held for our kids.
>
> Its going to take a lot of work to put US back on track.

Especially when it isn't off track to begin with.

Charlie wrote:
> Joe English wrote:
>
>> I've got to stop this information is great, Charlie. Too bad is is as
>> useless as you are.
>
>> ... Pictures? Those Abu Graibh photos are lies (and we won't release the other pictures).
>> Baaaaa. ... But Clinton got a blowjob and that's all that really counts. ...

sorry charlie, thats not it.

he PERJURED himself, before the court, and before us, his employers.


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