Cuba Referrals

Does anybody know if it is possible to do either a PADI or BSAC course
in Cuab after doing a referral in the UK.
I have been asked by someone who is going to Cuba and would like do half the
course in the UK and finish off in Cuba

Any info would be gratefully appreciated

Thank you

( please remove 'DIVE' if replying directly )
--
Denis C Todd, DIVEaquatodd@btinternet.com

"Denis C Todd" wrote

> Does anybody know if it is possible to do either a PADI or BSAC course in
> Cuba after doing a referral in the UK. I
> have been asked by someone who is going to Cuba and would like do half the
> course in the UK and finish off in
> Cuba.


I think it unlikely that a PADI course would be offered in Cuba. PADI's
corporate head is domiciled in the United States and we still have sanctions
in place against Cuba.

Lee

Thus spake Denis C Todd <aquatodd@btinternet.com> :

>
> Does anybody know if it is possible to do either a PADI or BSAC course
>in Cuab after doing a referral in the UK.
>I have been asked by someone who is going to Cuba and would like do half the
>course in the UK and finish off in Cuba
>
>Any info would be gratefully appreciated
>
> Thank you
>
>( please remove 'DIVE' if replying directly )

Gonna have to be BSAC
--
dillon

"When the French are against it, you know we can't
be far wrong." - Adm. Bobbie Ray Inman

"Dillon Pyron" <dmpyronINVALID@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Gonna have to be BSAC

Why?

"Greg Mossman" wrote

>> I think it unlikely that a PADI course would be offered in Cuba. PADI's
>> corporate head is domiciled in the United States and we still have
>> sanctions in place against Cuba.
>
> I don't think it unlikely. Thanks to multinational corporationism it's no
> more unlikely than buying Coca Cola and Marlboros in Cuba, which are sold
> in every bar. Did you really think Cubans drink their Cuba Libres with
> some generic communist cola beverage?

I don't have a clue what Cubans drink, but it's hardly the same thing. Coke
is distributed by those that have no other connection with the parent
company. Certification cards are issued by those who are affiliated with
the US corporation.

> SSI certainly has a presence there, I can vouch for that, even though
> they're based in Ft. Collins, CO. As for PADI,
>
> http://www.wowcuba.com/scuba/dive-intro.html
>
> offers PADI certifications through Asst. Instructor, and that's but one
> example I pulled out of a 2 second Google search.

Excellent. I'll forward your message to OFAC, the agency charged with
deciding what can and can not be done relative to Cuba. If you're right, no
harm done. If you're not, I'm sure they'll appreciate your help.

Lee

Lee Bell wrote:

> "Greg Mossman" wrote
>
>
>>>I think it unlikely that a PADI course would be offered in Cuba. PADI's
>>>corporate head is domiciled in the United States and we still have
>>>sanctions in place against Cuba.
>>
>>I don't think it unlikely. Thanks to multinational corporationism it's no
>>more unlikely than buying Coca Cola and Marlboros in Cuba, which are sold
>>in every bar. Did you really think Cubans drink their Cuba Libres with
>>some generic communist cola beverage?
>
>
> I don't have a clue what Cubans drink, but it's hardly the same thing. Coke
> is distributed by those that have no other connection with the parent
> company. Certification cards are issued by those who are affiliated with
> the US corporation.
>
>
>>SSI certainly has a presence there, I can vouch for that, even though
>>they're based in Ft. Collins, CO. As for PADI,
>>
>>http://www.wowcuba.com/scuba/dive-intro.html
>>
>>offers PADI certifications through Asst. Instructor, and that's but one
>>example I pulled out of a 2 second Google search.
>
>
> Excellent. I'll forward your message to OFAC, the agency charged with
> deciding what can and can not be done relative to Cuba. If you're right, no
> harm done. If you're not, I'm sure they'll appreciate your help.
>
> Lee
>
>

Holy cow, Lee, there's so many holes in OFAC regs, they whistle in the
breeze. Some of us think they still keep a crazy aunt in their basement
to sort out their responsibilities. If anyone can ask the same question
twice and get the same answer I'd be surprised.

--
jer email reply - I am not a 'ten'

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:DgHmd.1702$Qh3.819@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

> I don't have a clue what Cubans drink, but it's hardly the same thing.
> Coke is distributed by those that have no other connection with the parent
> company. Certification cards are issued by those who are affiliated with
> the US corporation.

Actually, it's distributed by international distributors that are licensed
by the American corporation, presumably with their full consent since they
could (should?) otherwise withhold relicensing:

"While the front door is closed, however, the back door is wide open. US
law prohibits small business from trading with Cuba, yet brand name American
products are now omnipresent in Cuba. Tourists are chauffeured in Ford
vans. Restaurants now serve Coke and Budweiser. Stores sell Marlboro,
Winston and Lucky Strikes. Marlboros cost $2.50, while a pack of Luckys go
for $1.50, a difference that reflects the superior recognition of the
Marlboro brand name, not a difference in wholesale cost. The presence of
American products is the result of the global economy and the multinational
positioning of so-called "American" corporations. Cuba's Coke, for example,
comes from the Coca Cola Company of Mexico. U.S. cigarettes are imported
through third countries."

http://www.mediastudy.com/articles/bdcuba3.html

> Excellent. I'll forward your message to OFAC, the agency charged with
> deciding what can and can not be done relative to Cuba. If you're right,
> no harm done. If you're not, I'm sure they'll appreciate your help.

Good. I hope OFAC finally shuts down Coca Cola. It's played a large part
in causing Americans' high rates of obesity and tooth decay and is clearly
an "enemy of the State".

Here's some more to help you on your anti-PADI anti-Cuba jihad:

http://www.diving-zone.com/esp/curso...habanasol.html

"Los cursos ofrecidos por Habanasol son certificados PADI, y las clases se
dictan en Varadero, ciudad con más de 20 Km. de playa de arenas blancas y
aguas turquesas. En esa zona hay varios centros de buceo, con todas las
condiciones para la práctica de este deporte. Se pueden visitar cavernas
inundadas por agua dulce y salada, arrecifes coralinos con más de 30
especies de peces así como restos de un barco mercante alemán hundido en
1943."

And, as I mentioned before, our own dear cert. agency SSI:

http://www.diving-zone.com/esp/curso_cuba_plus.html

"El mar que rodea Cuba es cálido y cristalino, sin corrientes fuertes ni
especies marinas peligrosas. Hay muchísima vida en el mar, plantaciones y
corales intactos en pleno crecimiento. Idiomas plus trabaja junto a Cuba
Diving School, escuela certificada por la Asociación SSI y con muchos años
de experiencia en la enseñanza de esta práctica deportiva. SSI es
mundialmente conocida por la gran calidad de organización y una gran demanda
por el ámbito de seguridad. Además de los cursos para principiantes, esta
escuela ofrece un paquete de buceo, sólo para buzos con experiencia."

With PADI and SSI closed down by OFAC, perhaps GUE, in the absence of
competition, will finally be able to get their open-water cert up and
running.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:419b8f1c$0$104$6c56adcd@news.qnet.com...
> "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:DgHmd.1702$Qh3.819@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
>
>> I don't have a clue what Cubans drink, but it's hardly the same thing.
>> Coke is distributed by those that have no other connection with the
>> parent company. Certification cards are issued by those who are
>> affiliated with the US corporation.
>
> Actually, it's distributed by international distributors that are licensed
> by the American corporation, presumably with their full consent since they
> could (should?) otherwise withhold relicensing:
>
> "While the front door is closed, however, the back door is wide open. US
> law prohibits small business from trading with Cuba, yet brand name
> American products are now omnipresent in Cuba. Tourists are chauffeured
> in Ford vans. Restaurants now serve Coke and Budweiser. Stores sell
> Marlboro, Winston and Lucky Strikes. Marlboros cost $2.50, while a pack
> of Luckys go for $1.50, a difference that reflects the superior
> recognition of the Marlboro brand name, not a difference in wholesale
> cost. The presence of American products is the result of the global
> economy and the multinational positioning of so-called "American"
> corporations. Cuba's Coke, for example, comes from the Coca Cola Company
> of Mexico. U.S. cigarettes are imported through third countries."
>
> http://www.mediastudy.com/articles/bdcuba3.html
>
>> Excellent. I'll forward your message to OFAC, the agency charged with
>> deciding what can and can not be done relative to Cuba. If you're right,
>> no harm done. If you're not, I'm sure they'll appreciate your help.
>
> Good. I hope OFAC finally shuts down Coca Cola. It's played a large part
> in causing Americans' high rates of obesity and tooth decay and is clearly
> an "enemy of the State".
>
> Here's some more to help you on your anti-PADI anti-Cuba jihad:
>
> http://www.diving-zone.com/esp/curso...habanasol.html
>
> "Los cursos ofrecidos por Habanasol son certificados PADI, y las clases se
> dictan en Varadero, ciudad con más de 20 Km. de playa de arenas blancas y
> aguas turquesas. En esa zona hay varios centros de buceo, con todas las
> condiciones para la práctica de este deporte. Se pueden visitar cavernas
> inundadas por agua dulce y salada, arrecifes coralinos con más de 30
> especies de peces así como restos de un barco mercante alemán hundido en
> 1943."
>
> And, as I mentioned before, our own dear cert. agency SSI:
>
> http://www.diving-zone.com/esp/curso_cuba_plus.html
>
> "El mar que rodea Cuba es cálido y cristalino, sin corrientes fuertes ni
> especies marinas peligrosas. Hay muchísima vida en el mar, plantaciones y
> corales intactos en pleno crecimiento. Idiomas plus trabaja junto a Cuba
> Diving School, escuela certificada por la Asociación SSI y con muchos años
> de experiencia en la enseñanza de esta práctica deportiva. SSI es
> mundialmente conocida por la gran calidad de organización y una gran
> demanda por el ámbito de seguridad. Además de los cursos para
> principiantes, esta escuela ofrece un paquete de buceo, sólo para buzos
> con experiencia."
>
> With PADI and SSI closed down by OFAC, perhaps GUE, in the absence of
> competition, will finally be able to get their open-water cert up and
> running.

I read somewhere (Pippin's website maybe?) that Castro, in his younger
years, was an ace freediver/spearfisher...
Wonder if he's PADI certified?

In article <ZIRmd.26$0v4.32746@news.uswest.net>, Ramone Cila
<dontw@nt.spam> wrote:

€ "a" <aspamfree@ricaspamfree.net> wrote in message
€ news:10png7l6al42i70@corp.supernews.com...
€
€ > I read somewhere (Pippin's website maybe?) that Castro, in his younger
€ > years, was an ace freediver/spearfisher...
€ > Wonder if he's PADI certified?
€
€
€ Oh my God....does PADI actually have a Freediving Cert?
€
€

They probably wanted to, but couldn't bring themselves to offer a
course with the word "free" in it (a search of the PADI website finds
three hits for "freediving," all of which refer to PADI scuba divers
involved with freediving).

"Greg Mossman" wrote

>> I don't have a clue what Cubans drink, but it's hardly the same thing.
>> Coke is distributed by those that have no other connection with the
>> parent company. Certification cards are issued by those who are
>> affiliated with the US corporation.
>
> Actually, it's distributed by international distributors that are licensed
> by the American corporation, presumably with their full consent since they
> could (should?) otherwise withhold relicensing:

Which is not the same thing as being an affiliate.

> "While the front door is closed, however, the back door is wide open. US
> law prohibits small business from trading with Cuba, yet brand name
> American products are now omnipresent in Cuba. Tourists are chauffeured
> in Ford vans. Restaurants now serve Coke and Budweiser. Stores sell
> Marlboro, Winston and Lucky Strikes. Marlboros cost $2.50, while a pack
> of Luckys go for $1.50, a difference that reflects the superior
> recognition of the Marlboro brand name, not a difference in wholesale
> cost. The presence of American products is the result of the global
> economy . . . yes

> and the multinational positioning of so-called "American" corporations.

and no.

> Cuba's Coke, for example, comes from the Coca Cola Company of Mexico.
> U.S. cigarettes are imported through third countries."

All legally. PADI still issues their cards directly, or is it your
contention that they have franchised the process out to a non affiliated
foreign corporation?

> Good. I hope OFAC finally shuts down Coca Cola. It's played a large part
> in causing Americans' high rates of obesity and tooth decay and is clearly
> an "enemy of the State".

Lobby for sanctions.

> Here's some more to help you on your anti-PADI anti-Cuba jihad:

I have no anti PADI or anti Cuba jihad. I simply believe in complying with
the law. You agree, right? That is one of the requirements of your
profession, right?

> With PADI and SSI closed down by OFAC, perhaps GUE, in the absence of
> competition, will finally be able to get their open-water cert up and
> running.

Now that might be an effective way to displace the present administration in
Cuba, but replacing a communist dictator with a diving one.

Lee