Force Fins forces Rodale's Scuba Diving to pay for scuba equipment ratings scam

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.remove.netcom.com> wrote

> Yep. Within all the bullshit that goes on here, there really is some good
> information. You just have to ask and be astute enough to see it when it
> comes by.
>
> Lee
>
>
Why do you think I asked about Conshelf Supremes, I've got the option of
buying a second hand Conshelf so asked.

And since a number here use it, there can't be much far wrong with them,
even if they're not exactly the ultimate best.

rhys

"Nigel Hewitt" <nigelh@REMOVETHISnigelhewitt.net> pounded away at his
keyboard resulting in:
:If he took the extra twenty seconds to post to each group
:seperately he might be a lot more welcome. The big cross-post
:is trademarked spammer and the groups have a very different
:ethos.

So you dislike him for being efficient?

Dan Bracuk
If at first you don't succeed, you run the risk of failure.
The Best of rec.scuba http://www.pathcom.com/~bracuk/RecScuba/


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In <bp0vd7$4si$1@hercules.btinternet.com> "Nigel Hewitt" wrote:
> "Lee Bell" wrote
> > "de Valois" wrote
> > > Scuba Booby doesn't report news. He parrots what he finds on other
people's
> > > websites, and passes them off as his "new expose".
> >
> > So? As long as his information is factual, who cares where he got
it. I
> > don't much like his spamming the group, but I generally find his
articles to
> > be interesting. Who am I to fault somebody that does the research
for me?
>
> If he took the extra twenty seconds to post to each group
> seperately he might be a lot more welcome. The big cross-post
> is trademarked spammer and the groups have a very different
> ethos.

Crossposting uses less storage.

Dan would have everyone in fins as long as his legs. I'm not dishing free
diving fins. They are very elegant. Its just I prefer a fin 1/2 the size of
other fins, 1/4 of the size of Dan's fins that does the job as well or
better. And, I've been in some fast currents and kept up with some the best
of them without trying. Oh, I'm not out of shape. I swim a minimum of 5
miles a week and so does Bob Evans.

Susanne Chess
Force Fin

"Schmoe" <jschmoeleg@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:uSQsb.12348$p%6.3409650@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> "Dan Volker" <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:rDOsb.109$oo.107@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> >
> <snip>
>
> > Make no mistake, CDNN is just as prostituted and controlled by special
> > interests as is the typical print rag in diving. If anything, they have
> more
> > agenda's than other magazines, including lunatic fringe groups, which
few
> on
> > this NG could stomach.
> >
>
> The only truly objective magazine online or off that I'm aware of is
> Undercurrent. It's a Not-for profit org.
>
> Dan, you seem to know a lot about fins so I'll ask you directly, if you
> don't mind. I want to replace my fins. Solid swimmer and in good shape,
only
> dive 4-5 days per year. I'd like a powerful fin that works well on drift
> dives and my current fins are hard as rocks and old. Suggestions and
> recommendations are appreciated.
>
> Cheers!
>
>

"Slow Death" <123@bioforus.uv> wrote in message
news:bf939afa6e2baaf4f7fe1cc96b7720b7@news.teranew s.com...
> On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:44:10 -0500, "Dan Volker"
> <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >Make no mistake, CDNN is just as prostituted and controlled by special
> >interests as is the typical print rag in diving. If anything, they have
more
> >agenda's than other magazines, including lunatic fringe groups, which few
on
> >this NG could stomach.
> >
>
> Still pissed off because CDNN blew the whistle on your beloved Peter
> Hughes and his DeathTrap Dancers? If you really believe CDNN is
> controlled by special interests and lunatic fringe groups, name them.

What, are you high? I could care less about Peter Hughes and his
liveaboards.

Every time I have tried to find out anything about CDNN and how it gathers
its "news" stories, I have found agendas running first, and PR stories
masquerading as news, following.
Give it a rest.
Dan V

In article <WqYsb.2064$oo.999@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"Dan Volker" <dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Every time I have tried to find out anything about CDNN and how it gathers
> its "news" stories, I have found agendas running first, and PR stories
> masquerading as news, following.

Yup. Spam.






-Sven

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:53:31 -0500, "Dan Volker"
<dvolker@bellsouth.net> wrote:


>
>Every time I have tried to find out anything about CDNN and how it gathers
>its "news" stories, I have found agendas running first, and PR stories
>masquerading as news, following.
>Give it a rest.
>Dan V
>

No surprise you could not name any special interests nor lunatic
fringe groups that control CDNN. There aren't any. It's just part of
your ongoing con-game to smear people who got it done while you, Holt,
Slate, Torode and Abernethy self-destructed and lost your credibility
with a dirty tricks campaign that failed to persuade the public we
should all line up and condone harassing marine wildlife by commercial
dive operators who even attempted to equate a ban on shark feeding
with 9/11. Talk about ground zero stupidity! CDNN whipped your ass
and hung you out to dry. YOU LOST! Shark feeding is illegal in the
state of Florida. Get over it bitch and stop your pathetic sniveling,
which only serves to persuade those is the middle like me that CDNN,
the Human Society, National Geographic, Reef Relief and a dozen other
"lunatic fringe groups" are absolutely right.

de Valois <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote:
>Question: what is the better alternative then?
>
>I agree, and Rodale's obviously does, as well, that ad dollars drive their
>reviews, however, they are also about the only game in town and so if you want
>factual information, as sparse as it is, you have to go to Rodale's and read
>between the lines.

Read Rodale's for a year and you've read every article of interest
at least once. And then it repeats. You do much better here - at
least the FAQs are free.

>Consumer Reports don't do dive gear.

And we can all be thankful for this.

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

In article <bf939afa6e2baaf4f7fe1cc96b7720b7@news.teranews.co m>,
Slow Death <123@bioforus.uv> wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:44:10 -0500, "Dan Volker"
>>Make no mistake, CDNN is just as prostituted and controlled by special
>>interests as is the typical print rag in diving. If anything, they have more
>>agenda's than other magazines, including lunatic fringe groups, which few on
>>this NG could stomach.
>Still pissed off because CDNN blew the whistle on your beloved Peter
>Hughes and his DeathTrap Dancers? If you really believe CDNN is
>controlled by special interests and lunatic fringe groups, name them.

hmmm, let's do a credibility check.

We have Dan.

And we have something called "Slow Death."

I nominate you as the first of the lunatic fringe groups.
--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com

Schmoe <jschmoeleg@optonline.net> wrote:
>The only truly objective magazine online or off that I'm aware of is
>Undercurrent. It's a Not-for profit org.

I got too many mailings from UC to think of it as a not for profit. Or
at least no better than those nonprofits that spend 70cents of every
donation looking for more money.

--
Jason O'Rourke www.jor.com