Re: Scuba & Scouting

On Apr 14, 3:10 pm, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
> messagenews:132218gfd3e1o41@news.supernews.com...
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>
>
> > > Not to be controversial or anything (on Usenet? Perish the thought!) but
> > > didn't Scouting--the Brit version at least--have something to do with
> the
> > > English Fascists?
> > I joined the Scouts to hang out with my friends and go camping.
> > If you can translate that, however remotely, into brown shirts or fascism,
> > you might wanna casually mention it to your therapy team.
>
> Un-fucking real, isnt it?
>
> Anything American or remotely conservative has to be demonized by the
> leftards.

What about the no gays and no atheists bit? That's kind of demonish
isn't it? Any group should be able to include/exclude whoever they
want... until they accept public money which the Scouts of America do.
I was going to say I wouldn't let a kid of mine be in a discriminatory
group like that in but I just looked and apparently in Canada the Boy
Scouts will let in anyone, including, oddly enough, girls. I thought
they had the Girl Guides for that.

Scouts Canada's new non-discrimination code reads: "Scouting is a
worldwide, multicultural movement. We welcome people to membership
regardless of gender, race, culture, religious belief, sexual
orientation or economic circumstances. Youth members are strongly
influenced by the behaviour of adults. We need to be sensitive to the
traditions and beliefs of all people and to avoid words or actions
which "put down" anybody."

Although as the hypocrite I am I do find it too bad they can't be
allowed to have all male troops still 8-)






>
> Still not a peep in the news about Feinstein, who's scandal is going to make
> Randy Cunningham's money look like pocket change.

<SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 14, 3:10 pm, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:132218gfd3e1o41@news.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Not to be controversial or anything (on Usenet? Perish the thought!) but
> > > > didn't Scouting--the Brit version at least--have something to do with
> > the
> > > > English Fascists?
> > > I joined the Scouts to hang out with my friends and go camping.
> > > If you can translate that, however remotely, into brown shirts or fascism,
> > > you might wanna casually mention it to your therapy team.
> >
> > Un-fucking real, isnt it?
> >
> > Anything American or remotely conservative has to be demonized by the
> > leftards.
>
> What about the no gays and no atheists bit?

What about it?

> Any group should be able to include/exclude whoever they
> want... until they accept public money which the Scouts of America do.

cite?

My understanding was that the only "public support" that the Boy Scouts received was from public
institutions that allowed them to conduct meetings on their premises. Considering that these
premises are supposed to be available for use by all groups (or none), I don't see the problem.
Outside of that, I thought that the BSA was funded primarily through not-for-profits (like United
Way) and public donations. We do receive some tax breaks since we are a not-for-profit
organization, but that's not the same as receiving public money.

> I was going to say I wouldn't let a kid of mine be in a discriminatory
> group like that in but I just looked and apparently in Canada the Boy
> Scouts will let in anyone, including, oddly enough, girls. I thought
> they had the Girl Guides for that.

Girls can also join the BSA, but not until they turn 14 and they can't join a standard boy scout
troop until they are 21 (or is it 18?). Thay can join Venture Crews and Explorer Posts at 14
though. They cannot earn the Eagle Scout award (because they can't join a troop), but can earn the
ranger guide award (you could call it the venture crew equivalent, but it's MUCH harder to get).

> Scouts Canada's new non-discrimination code reads: "Scouting is a
> worldwide, multicultural movement. We welcome people to membership
> regardless of gender, race, culture, religious belief, sexual
> orientation or economic circumstances. Youth members are strongly
> influenced by the behaviour of adults. We need to be sensitive to the
> traditions and beliefs of all people and to avoid words or actions
> which "put down" anybody."

It must be the French heritage.

> Although as the hypocrite I am I do find it too bad they can't be
> allowed to have all male troops still 8-)

I always wished we could have chicks in the troop. YMMV.

"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Any group should be able to include/exclude whoever they
> > want... until they accept public money which the Scouts of America do.

> cite?

http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-506.html

On Apr 17, 7:15 am, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176811330.465254.206750@n76g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
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>
>
> > On Apr 14, 3:10 pm, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
> > > messagenews:132218gfd3e1o41@news.supernews.com...
>
> > > > > Not to be controversial or anything (on Usenet? Perish the thought!) but
> > > > > didn't Scouting--the Brit version at least--have something to do with
> > > the
> > > > > English Fascists?
> > > > I joined the Scouts to hang out with my friends and go camping.
> > > > If you can translate that, however remotely, into brown shirts or fascism,
> > > > you might wanna casually mention it to your therapy team.
>
> > > Un-fucking real, isnt it?
>
> > > Anything American or remotely conservative has to be demonized by the
> > > leftards.
>
> > What about the no gays and no atheists bit?
>
> What about it?
>
> > Any group should be able to include/exclude whoever they
> > want... until they accept public money which the Scouts of America do.
>
> cite?
>
> My understanding was that the only "public support" that the Boy Scouts received was from public
> institutions that allowed them to conduct meetings on their premises. Considering that these
> premises are supposed to be available for use by all groups (or none), I don't see the problem.
> Outside of that, I thought that the BSA was funded primarily through not-for-profits (like United
> Way) and public donations. We do receive some tax breaks since we are a not-for-profit
> organization, but that's not the same as receiving public money.
>
> > I was going to say I wouldn't let a kid of mine be in a discriminatory
> > group like that in but I just looked and apparently in Canada the Boy
> > Scouts will let in anyone, including, oddly enough, girls. I thought
> > they had the Girl Guides for that.
>
> Girls can also join the BSA, but not until they turn 14 and they can't join a standard boy scout
> troop until they are 21 (or is it 18?). Thay can join Venture Crews and Explorer Posts at 14
> though. They cannot earn the Eagle Scout award (because they can't join a troop), but can earn the
> ranger guide award (you could call it the venture crew equivalent, but it's MUCH harder to get).
>
> > Scouts Canada's new non-discrimination code reads: "Scouting is a
> > worldwide, multicultural movement. We welcome people to membership
> > regardless of gender, race, culture, religious belief, sexual
> > orientation or economic circumstances. Youth members are strongly
> > influenced by the behaviour of adults. We need to be sensitive to the
> > traditions and beliefs of all people and to avoid words or actions
> > which "put down" anybody."
>
> It must be the French heritage.
>
> > Although as the hypocrite I am I do find it too bad they can't be
> > allowed to have all male troops still 8-)
>
> I always wished we could have chicks in the troop. YMMV.

I wanted to be a boy scout - I joined girl scouts.

We did a cake decorating badge and a self-directed badge on skin care
and make-up.
I knew that I could purchase a nicely decorated cake, and at age 12 or
so I was not allowed to wear make-up. Argh.

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On Apr 17, 7:23 am, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:oE4Vh.244$H_.160@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net.. .
>
> > > Any group should be able to include/exclude whoever they
> > > want... until they accept public money which the Scouts of America do.
> > cite?
>
> http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-506.html

Part of United Way funds used to go to boy scouts. Not any more; as I
recall it occurred over either the scouts decisions on either relicion
or homosexual leaders or both.

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On Apr 17, 12:15 pm, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <SeanMartinFarr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 3:10 pm, "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
> > > messagenews:132218gfd3e1o41@news.supernews.com...
>
> > > > > Not to be controversial or anything (on Usenet? Perish the thought!) but
> > > > > didn't Scouting--the Brit version at least--have something to do with
> > > the
> > > > > English Fascists?
> > > > I joined the Scouts to hang out with my friends and go camping.
> > > > If you can translate that, however remotely, into brown shirts or fascism,
> > > > you might wanna casually mention it to your therapy team.
>
> > > Un-fucking real, isnt it?
>
> > > Anything American or remotely conservative has to be demonized by the
> > > leftards.
>
> > What about the no gays and no atheists bit?
>
> What about it?
>
> > Any group should be able to include/exclude whoever they
> > want... until they accept public money which the Scouts of America do.
>
> cite?
>
Episode 4-01 of Penn & Teller: Bullshit!

The show is being used in a current gun thread so I'm thinking it
should be ok 8-)

> My understanding was that the only "public support" that the Boy Scouts received was from public
> institutions that allowed them to conduct meetings on their premises. Considering that these
> premises are supposed to be available for use by all groups (or none), I don't see the problem.
> Outside of that, I thought that the BSA was funded primarily through not-for-profits (like United
> Way) and public donations. We do receive some tax breaks since we are a not-for-profit
> organization, but that's not the same as receiving public money.

My understanding may be flawed, like I said I'm going with Penn and
Teller here.


>
> > I was going to say I wouldn't let a kid of mine be in a discriminatory
> > group like that in but I just looked and apparently in Canada the Boy
> > Scouts will let in anyone, including, oddly enough, girls. I thought
> > they had the Girl Guides for that.
>
> Girls can also join the BSA, but not until they turn 14 and they can't join a standard boy scout
> troop until they are 21 (or is it 18?). Thay can join Venture Crews and Explorer Posts at 14
> though. They cannot earn the Eagle Scout award (because they can't join a troop), but can earn the
> ranger guide award (you could call it the venture crew equivalent, but it's MUCH harder to get).

So they're second class citizens? I say the atheist/gay thing is too
discriminatory for me to have anything to do with. To each their own.
>
> > Scouts Canada's new non-discrimination code reads: "Scouting is a
> > worldwide, multicultural movement. We welcome people to membership
> > regardless of gender, race, culture, religious belief, sexual
> > orientation or economic circumstances. Youth members are strongly
> > influenced by the behaviour of adults. We need to be sensitive to the
> > traditions and beliefs of all people and to avoid words or actions
> > which "put down" anybody."
>
> It must be the French heritage.

Not discriminating is more of a Canadian thing then a French thing I'm
thinking.

>
> > Although as the hypocrite I am I do find it too bad they can't be
> > allowed to have all male troops still 8-)
>
> I always wished we could have chicks in the troop. YMMV.

I see what you did there 8-) Sorry I always picture really young kids
when I think of Scouting, And don't be saying anything about me
picturing young kids!

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<SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> What about the no gays and no atheists bit?

Cite.

"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> <SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com> wrote in message

>> Scouts Canada's new non-discrimination code reads: "Scouting is a
>> worldwide, multicultural movement. We welcome people to membership
>> regardless of gender, race, culture, religious belief, sexual
>> orientation or economic circumstances. Youth members are strongly
>> influenced by the behaviour of adults. We need to be sensitive to the
>> traditions and beliefs of all people and to avoid words or actions
>> which "put down" anybody."
>
> It must be the French heritage.

That was bitter.

>> Although as the hypocrite I am I do find it too bad they can't be
>> allowed to have all male troops still 8-)
>
> I always wished we could have chicks in the troop. YMMV.

Half the fun of camp was stealing canoes at night to go to the girl scout
camp.

<SeanMartinFarrell@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 17, 12:15 pm, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> It must be the French heritage.
>
> Not discriminating is more of a Canadian thing then a French thing I'm
> thinking.

Have you ever been to Canada?