O N L I N E P H O T O G R A P H Y D I P L O M A S

"Fred Nurk" <frednurk@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Justin Thyme wrote:
>
>> "Rick Armstrong" <rick@porkpiehats.com> wrote in message
>> news:414226b3$0$64611$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
>>
>>>
>>>Kramer is a prized bull shitter and this latest business venture of his
>>>selling fake diplomas outlines to us all just what kind of a liar and
>>>crook he is.
>>
>> I don't know anything about steve kramer, but I do know that of the 3
>> messages on this thread, only 1 was posted by someone in thailand, and
>> that is where kramer claims he is. Therefore I am 100% confident that the
>> post that started this thread, and the second "steve kramer" post (the
>> one about reporting them to the feds), are both fakes. The third "steve
>> kramer" post, where he talks about taking people on assignment with him,
>> is the only one actually posted from thailand, therefore odds on that is
>> the real steve kramer. I don't know why he is the target of so much
>> flaming, because that post does sound like the words of someone who does
>> have a clue. Yes there are lots of pro's who shouldn't be, i'm not going
>> to say if steve kramer fits into that category or not, but he sounds to
>> have more of a clue than a lot of posters in here.
>>
> Remember theres a wanker or 2 in thailand whats got a crush on steve
> kramer.


**Steve's biggest fan pokes his nose in to show us again just how devoted he
is to Kramer. YOU are the one with the crush on Kramer.

Anyway, well done Fred. Steve will be pleased!!!

Has he sent you his autograph yet?





> Only a very few anti kramer types here but they sure as shit make a
> helluva lot of noise. Ah well, they help kramer with advertisin an he dont
> seem to upset with the help hes gettin from em. Seems like a little game
> fer him toyin with these puppets in fact! Hes sure makin em dance a lot!
>
>
> fnurk
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Steve Kombat Kramer
>>>>>"PhotoEnvisions" Freelance Photography
>>>>>Chiang Mai, Thailand
>>>>>http://www.takingthepiss.0catch.com/...mer/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>"The voyage of discovery lies not in seeking new horizons,
>>>>>but in seeing with new eyes." - Marcel Proust
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

"Mark M" <mjmorgan2@goaway.cox.unless.no.crap.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Justin Thyme" <pleasedontspamme@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:4142964f@news.comindico.com.au...
> >
> > "Rick Armstrong" <rick@porkpiehats.com> wrote in message
> > news:414226b3$0$64611$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > Kramer is a prized bull shitter and this latest business venture
of his
> > > selling fake diplomas outlines to us all just what kind of a
liar and
> > > crook he is.
> > I don't know anything about steve kramer, but I do know that of
the 3
> > messages on this thread, only 1 was posted by someone in thailand,
and
> that
> > is where kramer claims he is. Therefore I am 100% confident that
the post
> > that started this thread, and the second "steve kramer" post (the
one
> about
> > reporting them to the feds), are both fakes. The third "steve
kramer"
> post,
> > where he talks about taking people on assignment with him, is the
only one
> > actually posted from thailand, therefore odds on that is the real
steve
> > kramer. I don't know why he is the target of so much flaming,
because
> that
> > post does sound like the words of someone who does have a clue.
Yes there
> > are lots of pro's who shouldn't be, i'm not going to say if steve
kramer
> > fits into that category or not, but he sounds to have more of a
clue than
> a
> > lot of posters in here.
>
> Mr. Kramer (the REAL Mr. Kramer) is a quality guy, and none of the
> *legitimate* regulars here think otherwise. Trolls have been doing
their
> masterbatory keyboard dance here for some time, but they fool
NOBODY--save
> for a few new folk who have no basis to know better.

Mark,

I consider myself a legitimate regular poster here. I have never met
Mr. Kramer, but judging from his posts here, I for one do not think he
is a "quality" guy. "Quality" guys wound never brag (or lie) about
their own achievements. As I said, I have never met the guy, I have
no idea if he is a successful businessman or a good photographer, but
from the amount of crap he has spewed out here over the years, he is
no better than the worst trolls, IMHO.

So speak for yourself, but please don't make statements on my (or
others) behalf.

Trond

Fred Nurk wrote:
> Justin Thyme wrote:
>
>> "Rick Armstrong" <rick@porkpiehats.com> wrote in message
>> news:414226b3$0$64611$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
>>
>>>
>>> Kramer is a prized bull shitter and this latest business venture of
>>> his selling fake diplomas outlines to us all just what kind of a liar
>>> and crook he is.
>>
>>
>> I don't know anything about steve kramer, but I do know that of the 3
>> messages on this thread, only 1 was posted by someone in thailand, and
>> that is where kramer claims he is. Therefore I am 100% confident that
>> the post that started this thread, and the second "steve kramer" post
>> (the one about reporting them to the feds), are both fakes. The third
>> "steve kramer" post, where he talks about taking people on assignment
>> with him, is the only one actually posted from thailand, therefore
>> odds on that is the real steve kramer.

Well done, Watson! Yes, that was the only post from me here in Thailand.
Should you wish verification of my being here, just call 01-952-7378
between 9am-10pm seven days a week and I'll be more than happy to meet
with you for a cup of coffee here in Chiang Mai.

>> I don't know why he is the
>> target of so much flaming,

It's only way Takin Gthepiss and Rick Armstrong have of demonstrating
that they exist. (Quite like the people who burn themselves with
cigarettes to prove to themselves that they are still alive. Pretty
sick...) Along with Chiang Mai's leading drunk, these are the only
three who flame, and only the drunk does so using his own name. The
others don't have real identities so they have to make them up.

> Remember theres a wanker or 2 in thailand whats got a crush on steve
> kramer. Only a very few anti kramer types here but they sure as shit
> make a helluva lot of noise. Ah well, they help kramer with advertisin
> an he dont seem to upset with the help hes gettin from em.

Good Lord, Fred, every time I respond to their posts it's another free
advertisement for me. And now I understand that a coalition of people
are going to re-post MY posts so that there will be 5-10 advertisements
for every one post made by these flamers. THAT will certainly help. :o)

> Seems like a
> little game fer him toyin with these puppets in fact! Hes sure makin em
> dance a lot!

It gives me something to do with my third computer while the other two
are processing photos. If I have to sit and wait for the printer to
finish a run or a PhotoShop filter to complete I may as well use my free
time creatively and enjoyably, right?

Steve Kramer
"PhotoEnvisions" Freelance Photography
Chiang Mai, Thailand
http://www.photoenvisions.com


--
"The voyage of discovery lies not in seeking new horizons,
but in seeing with new eyes." - Marcel Proust

"WhiteShiva" <trondDONTNEEDTHIS@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message


> Mark,
>
> I consider myself a legitimate regular poster here. I have never met
> Mr. Kramer, but judging from his posts here, I for one do not think he
> is a "quality" guy. "Quality" guys wound never brag (or lie) about
> their own achievements. As I said, I have never met the guy, I have
> no idea if he is a successful businessman or a good photographer, but
> from the amount of crap he has spewed out here over the years, he is
> no better than the worst trolls, IMHO.
>
> So speak for yourself, but please don't make statements on my (or
> others) behalf.

One thing is for sure , Kramer's photos suck.


>
> Trond

"Steve Kramer" <steve@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Fred Nurk wrote:
>> Justin Thyme wrote:
>>
>>> "Rick Armstrong" <rick@porkpiehats.com> wrote in message
>>> news:414226b3$0$64611$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kramer is a prized bull shitter and this latest business venture of his
>>>> selling fake diplomas outlines to us all just what kind of a liar and
>>>> crook he is.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know anything about steve kramer, but I do know that of the 3
>>> messages on this thread, only 1 was posted by someone in thailand, and
>>> that is where kramer claims he is. Therefore I am 100% confident that
>>> the post that started this thread, and the second "steve kramer" post
>>> (the one about reporting them to the feds), are both fakes. The third
>>> "steve kramer" post, where he talks about taking people on assignment
>>> with him, is the only one actually posted from thailand, therefore odds
>>> on that is the real steve kramer.
>
> Well done, Watson! Yes, that was the only post from me here in Thailand.
> Should you wish verification of my being here, just call 01-952-7378
> between 9am-10pm seven days a week and I'll be more than happy to meet
> with you for a cup of coffee here in Chiang Mai.
>
> >> I don't know why he is the
>>> target of so much flaming,
>
> It's only way Takin Gthepiss and Rick Armstrong have of demonstrating that
> they exist.


**At least we exist Steve, which is more than can be said about those
"awards" of yours, eh??? LOL!!!



> (Quite like the people who burn themselves with cigarettes to prove to
> themselves that they are still alive. Pretty sick...) Along with Chiang
> Mai's leading drunk, these are the only three who flame, and only the
> drunk does so using his own name. The others don't have real identities so
> they have to make them up.
>
>> Remember theres a wanker or 2 in thailand whats got a crush on steve
>> kramer. Only a very few anti kramer types here but they sure as shit make
>> a helluva lot of noise. Ah well, they help kramer with advertisin an he
>> dont seem to upset with the help hes gettin from em.
>
> Good Lord, Fred, every time I respond to their posts it's another free
> advertisement for me.


**Actually Steve, EVERY time you respond you just confirm to the group that
you're a spammer. A low-life spammer.

You also ridicule yourself EVERY time you respond, but HEY! Don't let me
stop you....



> And now I understand that a coalition of people are going to re-post MY
> posts


**A coalition of people? You mean more of your sock puppets, right? LOL!!!


> so that there will be 5-10 advertisements for every one post made by these
> flamers. THAT will certainly help. :o)


**Help to prove beyond doubt that you are a low-life spammer.


>
> > Seems like a
>> little game fer him toyin with these puppets in fact! Hes sure makin em
>> dance a lot!
>
> It gives me something to do with my third computer while the other two are
> processing photos.


**If you've really got that much time on your hands, why not try accepting
orders and business from your 'clients'? Remember how you told us that you
were sooooo busy that you had to turn work away??? Soooooo busy that you
have to turn work away, but not too busy to troll and send out spam, eh???
LOL!!!

Keep 'em coming Steve. Remember, the *more* you respond, the *more* you
ridicule yourself....

That's what I call a win-win situation. *grin*



> If I have to sit and wait for the printer to finish a run or a PhotoShop
> filter to complete I may as well use my free time creatively and
> enjoyably, right?
>
>Steve Kombat Kramer
>"PhotoEnvisions" Freelance Photography
>Chiang Mai, Thailand
>http://www.takingthepiss.0catch.com/...mer/index.html
>
>
>
>--
>"The voyage of discovery lies not in seeking new horizons,
>but in seeing with new eyes." - Marcel Proust
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

"SweeTips" <johnnyneilson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> "WhiteShiva" <trondDONTNEEDTHIS@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
>
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> I consider myself a legitimate regular poster here. I have never met
>> Mr. Kramer, but judging from his posts here, I for one do not think he
>> is a "quality" guy. "Quality" guys wound never brag (or lie) about
>> their own achievements. As I said, I have never met the guy, I have
>> no idea if he is a successful businessman or a good photographer, but
>> from the amount of crap he has spewed out here over the years, he is
>> no better than the worst trolls, IMHO.
>>
>> So speak for yourself, but please don't make statements on my (or
>> others) behalf.
>
> One thing is for sure , Kramer's photos suck.


**You suck as well son... and you give a DAMM good bj... suck suck suck
sluuurp.....

5555555555



>
>
>>
>> Trond

"WhiteShiva" <trondDONTNEEDTHIS@pacific.net.sg> wrote in message
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> "Mark M" <mjmorgan2@goaway.cox.unless.no.crap.net> wrote in message
> news:Uwx0d.291606$Oi.35223@fed1read04...
> >
> > "Justin Thyme" <pleasedontspamme@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:4142964f@news.comindico.com.au...
> > >
> > > "Rick Armstrong" <rick@porkpiehats.com> wrote in message
> > > news:414226b3$0$64611$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kramer is a prized bull shitter and this latest business venture
> of his
> > > > selling fake diplomas outlines to us all just what kind of a
> liar and
> > > > crook he is.
> > > I don't know anything about steve kramer, but I do know that of
> the 3
> > > messages on this thread, only 1 was posted by someone in thailand,
> and
> > that
> > > is where kramer claims he is. Therefore I am 100% confident that
> the post
> > > that started this thread, and the second "steve kramer" post (the
> one
> > about
> > > reporting them to the feds), are both fakes. The third "steve
> kramer"
> > post,
> > > where he talks about taking people on assignment with him, is the
> only one
> > > actually posted from thailand, therefore odds on that is the real
> steve
> > > kramer. I don't know why he is the target of so much flaming,
> because
> > that
> > > post does sound like the words of someone who does have a clue.
> Yes there
> > > are lots of pro's who shouldn't be, i'm not going to say if steve
> kramer
> > > fits into that category or not, but he sounds to have more of a
> clue than
> > a
> > > lot of posters in here.
> >
> > Mr. Kramer (the REAL Mr. Kramer) is a quality guy, and none of the
> > *legitimate* regulars here think otherwise. Trolls have been doing
> their
> > masterbatory keyboard dance here for some time, but they fool
> NOBODY--save
> > for a few new folk who have no basis to know better.
>
> Mark,
>
> I consider myself a legitimate regular poster here.

Then why have I NEVER ever seen you before?

>I have never met
> Mr. Kramer, but judging from his posts here, I for one do not think he
> is a "quality" guy. "Quality" guys wound never brag (or lie) about
> their own achievements.

He doesn't.
Other fakes have under his name...proving once again that you are not
catching on.

>As I said, I have never met the guy, I have
> no idea if he is a successful businessman or a good photographer, but
> from the amount of crap he has spewed out here over the years, he is
> no better than the worst trolls, IMHO.

Like I say... If you've been here for three years, you are pretty slow
because he has not been bragging for that time.
I suspect you are just another sock-puppet, now trying to legitimize teh
troll posts.

>
> So speak for yourself, but please don't make statements on my (or
> others) behalf.
>
> Trond

Never heard of you, and therefore I give your claims as a "three year
regular" ZERO credibility.

In article <10k3drp821p534@corp.supernews.com>,
"jimkramer" <Sophomoric_Jim@NOSPAMjlkramer.net> writes:
> Steve, would you please, put some shot in this twit and drop him in a river.
>
> But it does give me an idea.
>
> Jim Kramer (soon to be Kramer's School of Imaging)

An opposing business.

'Kramer vs Kramer'?





--
pete@petezilla.co.uk
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

"Peter Chant" <pete@petezilla.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ci03ds$fsn$2@phoenix.fire...
> In article <10k3drp821p534@corp.supernews.com>,
> "jimkramer" <Sophomoric_Jim@NOSPAMjlkramer.net> writes:
> > Steve, would you please, put some shot in this twit and drop him in a
river.
> >
> > But it does give me an idea.
> >
> > Jim Kramer (soon to be Kramer's School of Imaging)
>
> An opposing business.
>
> 'Kramer vs Kramer'?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> pete@petezilla.co.uk
> http://www.petezilla.co.uk
>
Well, we are on opposite sides of the globe.

Jim (probably not related to Steve) Kramer

jimkramer wrote:
> "Peter Chant" <pete@petezilla.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ci03ds$fsn$2@phoenix.fire...
>
>>In article <10k3drp821p534@corp.supernews.com>,
>>"jimkramer" <Sophomoric_Jim@NOSPAMjlkramer.net> writes:
>>
>>>Steve, would you please, put some shot in this twit and drop him in a
>
> river.
>
>>>But it does give me an idea.
>>>
>>>Jim Kramer (soon to be Kramer's School of Imaging)
>>
>>An opposing business.

>>'Kramer vs Kramer'?

> Well, we are on opposite sides of the globe.

Nah... An multi-national conglomerate working together to share
international imagery, and make it available to the entire world! *grin*


> Jim (probably not related to Steve) Kramer

I've had my lineage traced by the College of Heraldry (actually, a
friend of mine did the tracing 25 years ago) and there we no members of
either side of my family that settled in your part of the US. "Kramer"
can be an 'Old German' word meaning shop keeper or an modern Dutch word
meaning vendor, so like 'smith,' 'wright,' 'maker' as endings on names,
or 'cooper,' 'barber,' or 'farmer,' as names themselves our names are
quite common. If you do a good net search of 'Steve Kramer' you'll turn
up over a THOUSAND in the US alone. And those are just the ones who are
using the Internet. How many others are too old or too young or just
don't post?!?

Steve Kramer
"PhotoEnvisions" Freelance Photography
Chiang Mai, Thailand
http://www.photoenvisions.com


--
"The voyage of discovery lies not in seeking new horizons,
but in seeing with new eyes." - Marcel Proust