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Where is the condemnation from the Kerry camp?


THE NEWS MEDIA
Texan Involved in CBS Report Tried to Help Kerry Campaign
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and JIM RUTENBERG

Published: September 18, 2004


AIRD, Tex., Sept. 17 - Bill Burkett, the former Texas National Guard officer
who has been caught up in the mystery of how CBS News acquired memos that seem
to question President Bush's Vietnam-era National Guard service, unsuccessfully
offered information and advice to help the Kerry campaign attack Mr. Bush,
according to a posting Mr. Burkett wrote in an e-mail newsletter.

"I spent some time on the phone with the Kerry campaign seniors yesterday," Mr.
Burkett wrote on Aug. 21 in an e-mail letter circulated to a list of about 600
Texas Democrats.

He complained that he had to "get through seven layers of bureaucratic kids
trying to get a job after the election."

"I talked with Max Cleland," Mr. Burkett continued, referring to the former
senator from Georgia who has been supporting Senator John Kerry's Democratic
presidential bid.

Alluding to advertisements by a veterans group that deprecates Mr. Kerry's
Vietnam service, Mr. Burkett continued, "I asked if they wanted to
counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. He
said counterattack."

"So I gave them the information to do it with," Mr. Burkett wrote. "But none of
them have called me back."

Mr. Burkett did not say what information he offered. Earlier this year, he
gained attention for saying that in 1998 he saw aides to Gov. George W. Bush of
Texas and Guard officials dispose of pieces of Mr. Bush's National Guard record
that could prove politically embarrassing. Mr. Bush's aides have denied his
account.

"I volunteered to come back out with more," Mr. Burkett wrote.

Mr. Burkett, who was at home on his ranch in Baird, near Abilene, on Friday,
declined to comment.

Mr. Cleland said in a telephone interview that Mr. Burkett called him "a couple
of weeks ago," as he was out campaigning for Mr. Kerry.

"I couldn't swear to it whether he used the term documents or information," Mr.
Cleland said. "It was some kind of stuff, some kind of information he wanted to
get to the campaign, or something, regarding Bush's National Guard service. I
referred him up to somebody in the campaign."

Mr. Cleland said he received up to 100 calls a week from people with tips and
ideas. "He sounded like he had something," Mr. Cleland said. "But of course, in
this business, you go around, every friend, everyone around the corner, has
some something or other."

Campaign officials said Mr. Cleland had referred Mr. Burkett to someone at the
campaign who passed his message on to the research department, where the
message was set aside amid the deluge of other calls.

Mr. Burkett has returned to national attention since CBS News and "60 Minutes"
reported last week on four memos reportedly from the personal files of Lt. Col.
Jerry Killian, Mr. Bush's squadron commander, who died 20 years ago. The memos
said that Colonel Killian was under pressure to "sugar coat" the record of the
young Lieutenant Bush and that the officer had disobeyed a direct order to take
a physical.

Forensic experts, a secretary who said she typed Lieutenant Killian's memos and
members of his family have said that they doubt the authenticity of the
documents. CBS News has said it is evaluating their legitimacy and has declined
to identify its sources. But one person at CBS confirmed an account in Newsweek
that Mr. Burkett had helped with the reports. The official was unable to say
what role he played.

Mr. Burkett is an avid Democrat and a frequent contributor to the Texas
Democratic e-mail list. His name also shows up occasionally as a contributor of
criticism of the Bush administration on a Web site, onlinejournal.com. Asked
about his contributions to that site, Mr. Burkett on Friday declined to
comment. His wife, Nicki, later confirmed that the articles were indeed his.

His many online musings provide a glimpse of his thinking, including his
intense desire to remove Mr. Bush from office. They include some inconclusive
references to the possibility of more documents appearing about Mr. Bush's
Guard service. Aside from the CBS report, the Pentagon on Friday released new
documents from Mr. Bush's files.

Addressing Mr. Bush rhetorically in an article on the Web site on Aug. 25, Mr.
Burkett wrote, "I know from your files that we have now reassembled, the fact
that you did not fulfill your oath, taken when you were commissioned to 'obey
the orders of the officers appointed over you.' " On Sept. 4, shortly before
CBS News broadcast its report, Mr. Burkett told the Democratic e-mail list he
had a hunch that more material might soon emerge to embarrass the president.
"No proof, just gut instinct," Mr. Burkett added.

Mr. Burkett's lawyer, David Van Os, said his client had not fabricated any
documents. "From my knowledge of Bill's character, I am 100 percent positively,
unequivocally certain that Bill Burkett has not created or falsified any
documents," Mr. Van Os said.

In another development, ABC News reported on Friday that former Col. Walter B.
Staudt - who interviewed Mr. Bush for enrollment to the Texas Air National
Guard in 1968 and who was named in a disputed Killian memo as exerting
influence on behalf of Mr. Bush - said he "never pressured anybody about George
Bush." He also told ABC News that he planned to vote for Mr. Bush.


David D. Kirkpatrick reported from Baird for this article, and Jim Rutenberg
from New York. Nathan Levy contributed reporting from Baird.



Popeye
Man is certainly stark mad. He cannot even make a worm,
and yet he will be making gods by the dozens.

"Popeye NCAT3" <buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote in message
news:20040918095000.22172.00000748@mb-m18.aol.com...
>
>
> Where is the condemnation from the Kerry camp?

"Besides the letter from Bush's father, the latest documents contain news
releases that the Texas Air National Guard sent to Houston newspapers in
1970 about young Bush, then a second lieutenant and new pilot. 'George Bush
is one member of the younger generation who doesn't get his kicks from pot
or hashish or speed,' the news release said. 'Oh, he gets high, all right,
but not from narcotics.'"

I checked and my bottle of Heinz catsup says "Product of Canada"!
Guess I'll be checking out all the Heinz products at the store! I happened
to look at the label of a jar of Heinz sandwich slice pickles. Yep...."Made in
Mexico."

Check some of your Heinz products. Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about
U.S.corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign countries,
taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has happened.

However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush.

As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country because
he is not the owner of a single factory.

That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry. According
to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in
Asia and the Pacific.

In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in
Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some
of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean.

I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these
plants relocated in foreign countries?

I also wonder if the workers in Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages and
benefits as workers in the United States.

Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that
relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the US Why does he not
demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner?

If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign factories
and bring all those jobs back to America?

Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor.

PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE FACTS!! I
have no problem voting for Bush.



Popeye
Man is certainly stark mad. He cannot even make a worm,
and yet he will be making gods by the dozens.

http://www.wketchup.com/

"Popeye NCAT3" <buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote in message
news:20040918212244.04530.00001017@mb-m02.aol.com...
>
>
>
>
> I checked and my bottle of Heinz catsup says "Product of Canada"!
> Guess I'll be checking out all the Heinz products at the store! I
happened
> to look at the label of a jar of Heinz sandwich slice pickles.
Yep...."Made in
> Mexico."
>
> Check some of your Heinz products. Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about
> U.S.corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign
countries,
> taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has
happened.
>
> However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush.
>
> As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country
because
> he is not the owner of a single factory.
>
> That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry.
According
> to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own 32 factories in Europe and 18
in
> Asia and the Pacific.
>
> In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in
> Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America,
some
> of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean.
>
> I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when
these
> plants relocated in foreign countries?
>
> I also wonder if the workers in Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages
and
> benefits as workers in the United States.
>
> Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that
> relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the US Why does he not
> demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner?
>
> If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign
factories
> and bring all those jobs back to America?
>
> Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor.
>
> PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE
FACTS!! I
> have no problem voting for Bush.
>
>
>
> Popeye
> Man is certainly stark mad. He cannot even make a worm,
> and yet he will be making gods by the dozens.
>

But heard, half-heard in the stillness, Popeye NCAT3 writes
--

> That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa
> Heinz-Kerry. According
> to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own 32 factories in
> Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific.

The Kerry's do not own or control Heinz, dumbfuck.

It's an international company that uses local produce for
local products.

You're just mindlessly parroting a long discredited lie.

It figures you're stupid enough to believe it.

--
"If any question why we died
Tell them, because our fathers lied."
- Kipling (after his son was killed in WWI)

In article <20040918212244.04530.00001017@mb-m02.aol.com>, Popeye NCAT3
<buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:

€ I checked and my bottle of Heinz catsup says "Product of Canada"!
€ Guess I'll be checking out all the Heinz products at the store! I happened
€ to look at the label of a jar of Heinz sandwich slice pickles. Yep...."Made
€ in
€ Mexico."
€
€ Check some of your Heinz products. Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about
€ U.S.corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign
€ countries,
€ taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has happened.
€
€ However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush.
€
€ As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country
€ because
€ he is not the owner of a single factory.
€
€ That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry.
€ According
€ to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in
€ Asia and the Pacific.
€
€ In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in
€ Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some
€ of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean.
€
€ I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these
€ plants relocated in foreign countries?
€

Absolutely zero.

Heinz produces condiments as close to their markets as possible.
Nothing made in Europe or Asia comes to the US, and nothing made in the
US, Mexico or Canada goes to Europe or Asia (you'd know this if you'd
ever spent time in Asia or Europe).

Mexico and Canada are different. NAFTA, conceived during the Reagan
administration (
<http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/integ/c...=eng&menu=inte
g> ), makes it advantageous for Heinz to produce products in Canada and
Mexico for import into the US market. The factories are geographically
close enough to the end markets to make such trade viable.



€ I also wonder if the workers in Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages and
€ benefits as workers in the United States.
€
€ Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that
€ relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the US Why does he not
€ demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner?
€
€ If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign factories
€ and bring all those jobs back to America?
€
€ Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor.
€
€ PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE FACTS!! I
€ have no problem voting for Bush.
€
€

Sorry to see you're speading RNC propaganda. I thought you were above
this.

>From: Alan Street agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com


>Sorry to see you're speading RNC propaganda. I thought you were above
>this.

Absolutely not.

Kimber said, "you should check that out first", I said, why bother?

Besides, you've been parroting DNC propadanda for over a year.

>Heinz produces condiments as close to their markets as possible.

Then how come I get Canadian ketchup and Mexican pickles in Atlanta?




Popeye
Man is certainly stark mad. He cannot even make a worm,
and yet he will be making gods by the dozens.

Alan Street wrote:
> In article <20040918212244.04530.00001017@mb-m02.aol.com>, Popeye NCAT3
> <buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:
>
> € I checked and my bottle of Heinz catsup says "Product of Canada"!
> € Guess I'll be checking out all the Heinz products at the store! I happened
> € to look at the label of a jar of Heinz sandwich slice pickles. Yep...."Made
> € in
> € Mexico."
> €
> € Check some of your Heinz products. Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about
> € U.S.corporations leaving this country and setting up shop in foreign
> € countries,
> € taking thousands of jobs with them. He is right, because that has happened.
> €
> € However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush.
> €
> € As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country
> € because
> € he is not the owner of a single factory.
> €
> € That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz-Kerry.
> € According
> € to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in
> € Asia and the Pacific.
> €
> € In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four factories in
> € Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in North America, some
> € of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean.
> €
> € I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these
> € plants relocated in foreign countries?
> €
>
> Absolutely zero.
>
> Heinz produces condiments as close to their markets as possible.
> Nothing made in Europe or Asia comes to the US, and nothing made in the
> US, Mexico or Canada goes to Europe or Asia (you'd know this if you'd
> ever spent time in Asia or Europe).
>
> Mexico and Canada are different. NAFTA, conceived during the Reagan
> administration (
> <http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/integ/c...=eng&menu=inte
> g> ), makes it advantageous for Heinz to produce products in Canada and
> Mexico for import into the US market. The factories are geographically
> close enough to the end markets to make such trade viable.
>
>
>
> € I also wonder if the workers in Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages and
> € benefits as workers in the United States.
> €
> € Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that
> € relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the US Why does he not
> € demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner?
> €
> € If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign factories
> € and bring all those jobs back to America?
> €
> € Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor.
> €
> € PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE FACTS!! I
> € have no problem voting for Bush..
> €
> €
>
> Sorry to see you're speading RNC propaganda. I thought you were above
> this.

Realistically, you have to produce ketchup and other tomato products
near where the tomatoes are grown.

--

It's bad luck to be superstitious

In article <20040919053805.27265.00001198@mb-m03.aol.com>, Popeye NCAT3
<buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:

€ >From: Alan Street agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com
€
€
€ >Sorry to see you're speading RNC propaganda. I thought you were above
€ >this.
€
€ Absolutely not.
€
€ Kimber said, "you should check that out first", I said, why bother?
€
€ Besides, you've been parroting DNC propadanda for over a year.

Only the stuff that I happen to agree with, and which checks out

€
€ >Heinz produces condiments as close to their markets as possible.
€
€ Then how come I get Canadian ketchup and Mexican pickles in Atlanta?
€
€

I just answered that question. Close is also relative. Mexico and
Cananda are closer to you than some states, and in case you hadn't
noticed it, a lot of the food we eat is grown in Mexico. Canning or
processing it there makes sense if there are few restrictions placed on
shipping it across the border.

But since you're on a roll, here's some ammunition you'll have fun
with. Find out where Ben & Jerry's produces most of their ice cream for
the North American market. It ain't Burlington, Vt.

Alan

dazed and confuzed wrote:

> Realistically, you have to produce ketchup and other tomato products
> near where the tomatoes are grown.

Plenty of tomatos grown here on Long Island New York. No Heinz around here.