Re: Aborting a dive

In article <20041202212720.07924.00001795@mb-m07.aol.com>, Popeye NCAT3
<buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:

€ > I disagree. Anybody affected by your decision to call a dive has
€ > a right to question your reasons

What a moron.

If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed it.

No wonder he's in my killfile...

Stop wasting your time, Popeye. He's not worth it.

I am sitting in the smallest room of my house.

I have Lee's post before me. Soon, it will be behind me.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

>From: Jammer Six jammer@invalid.oz.net
>Date: 12/3/2004 3:52 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <031220040052494724%jammer@invalid.oz.net>
>
>In article <20041202212720.07924.00001795@mb-m07.aol.com>, Popeye NCAT3
><buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:
>
>€ > I disagree. Anybody affected by your decision to call a dive has
>€ > a right to question your reasons
>
>What a moron.
>
>If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed it.
>
>No wonder he's in my killfile...
>
>Stop wasting your time, Popeye. He's not worth it.
>
>I am sitting in the smallest room of my house.
>
>I have Lee's post before me. Soon, it will be behind me.


5 Bucks ot Team 3.



Popeye
The only working atomic bomb platforms the
Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.

"Popeye NCAT3" <buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote in message
news:20041203065119.08032.00001567@mb-m07.aol.com...
> >From: Jammer Six jammer@invalid.oz.net
> >Date: 12/3/2004 3:52 AM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <031220040052494724%jammer@invalid.oz.net>
> >
> >In article <20041202212720.07924.00001795@mb-m07.aol.com>, Popeye NCAT3
> ><buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote:
> >
> >? > I disagree. Anybody affected by your decision to call a dive has
> >? > a right to question your reasons
> >
> >What a moron.
> >
> >If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed it.
> >
> >No wonder he's in my killfile...
> >
> >Stop wasting your time, Popeye. He's not worth it.
> >
> >I am sitting in the smallest room of my house.
> >
> >I have Lee's post before me. Soon, it will be behind me.
>
>
> 5 Bucks ot Team 3.

The OP must be in my kf, I can't see anything about this, except for you
two. So I thought I'd look it up in DeeperBlue . . .and what did I see
there? Nothing except you two. So what did this thread start as . . .?

>

>From: "chilly" slarson@shaw.canada

>The OP must be in my kf, I can't see anything about this, except for you
>two. So I thought I'd look it up in DeeperBlue . . .and what did I see
>there? Nothing except you two. So what did this thread start as . . .?
>
>>

Hell, I dunno.

I swear this thread started in RSE.

Theres, like, 27 posts so far.

Started as it is.


Popeye
The only working atomic bomb platforms the
Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.

"Jammer Six" wrote

> If I hadn't read it, I wouldn't have believed it.

Let me look around to see if I can find somebody that cares. Nope.

Lee

"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:gW_rd.35497$bP2.29804@newssvr12.news.prodigy. com...

> I have mixed feelings. I think that you should be able to call any dive
> that you aren't comfortable with for whatever reason you might have, but I
> also think that anyone who is affected by that decision at least deserves
a
> right to know why they were affected. At any rate, those affected can
ask,
> but those who aborted aren't required to answer. Depending on the
> situation, I may or may not be willing to be put into a situation where
that
> person would be allowed to affect my diving any more. Not giving me a
> reason for calling the dive would go a long way towards pushing me into
the
> not willing category. Even a reason like "it just didn't feel right"
would
> push me back towards the willing category.

That's all fine and good, after everyone is out of the water.

I have been around people who razz or get downright nasty about someone
thumbing a dive, and those are the people to not dive with.

One could easily ask "Why are you diving with him in the first place?" If
you dive with someone new, or witrh someone you know hasnt been diving much,
you should expect an abort or two.

And, I will add, that I have thumbed a dive just to see how the reaction
went, and it helped me weed through a couple divers who I now avoid.

Any diver can abort any dive at any time for any reason. There should never
be any mindset that attenuates that in any way.

If you are not comfortable and having fun, get out of the water.

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:10r0vaoeltk0ga2@corp.supernews.com...
> "Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gW_rd.35497$bP2.29804@newssvr12.news.prodigy. com...
>
> > I have mixed feelings. I think that you should be able to call any dive
> > that you aren't comfortable with for whatever reason you might have, but
I
> > also think that anyone who is affected by that decision at least
deserves
> a
> > right to know why they were affected. At any rate, those affected can
> ask,
> > but those who aborted aren't required to answer. Depending on the
> > situation, I may or may not be willing to be put into a situation where
> that
> > person would be allowed to affect my diving any more. Not giving me a
> > reason for calling the dive would go a long way towards pushing me into
> the
> > not willing category. Even a reason like "it just didn't feel right"
> would
> > push me back towards the willing category.
>
> That's all fine and good, after everyone is out of the water.

Agreed.

>
> I have been around people who razz or get downright nasty about someone
> thumbing a dive, and those are the people to not dive with.

I haven't, but I don't even begin to believe that they don't exist.

> And, I will add, that I have thumbed a dive just to see how the reaction
> went, and it helped me weed through a couple divers who I now avoid.

I hope I would pass the test.

>
> Any diver can abort any dive at any time for any reason. There should
never
> be any mindset that attenuates that in any way.

Agreed. I'd still like to know what the reason (if one exists) is. "I"
aborted a dive because my wife was having ear problems. She claimed to be
okay for the dive, but I know that she often makes her injuries out to be
better than they really are. It turned out she had a pretty severe ear
infection that almost kept us in Jamaica longer than we had planned because
of concerns about flying.

"Scott" wrote

> I have been around people who razz or get downright nasty about someone
> thumbing a dive, and those are the people to not dive with.

A bit of razzing is unavoidable, but there's a limit.

> One could easily ask "Why are you diving with him in the first place?" If
> you dive with someone new, or with someone you know hasnt been diving
> much,
> you should expect an abort or two.

When on a local commercial boat, I kind of expect everybody aboard to be of
similar preferences and have sufficient experience for the planned dives.
When that proves not to be the case, it's not the diver I'm annoyed with,
it's the operator. I frequent operators that cater to divers like me.
Diving with somebody that hasn't been diving much is a whole different
matter. If I'm there, I know the risk of an abort. On the other hand, I
still want to know why the diver chose to abort. Chances are, I did the
dive in the first place in order to support the inexperienced diver. The
more I know about why he aborted, the better able I am to help him work
through or avoid the problem in the future. Criticizing is a poor idea.
Asking need not be critical.

> And, I will add, that I have thumbed a dive just to see how the reaction
> went, and it helped me weed through a couple divers who I now avoid.

If you were my buddy and you did this to me just to see how I react, you'd
get what you asked for. If you're not my buddy, just don't whine about how
long you sit on the boat while my buddy and I do our dive.

Lee

"Jammer Six" <jammer@invalid.oz.net> wrote in message
news:031220040937084444%jammer@invalid.oz.net...
> In article <zaZrd.424646$%k.65232@pd7tw2no>, chilly
> <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote:
>
> ? You have a computer in your commode? What an odd duck . . .hmm, or are
you
> ? just that addicted to rec.scuba?
>
> No, no, no.
>
> The duck mask if only for special occasions.

Oh yeah, I forgot.

In article <gW_rd.35497$bP2.29804@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com> , Chris
Guynn <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote:

€ Not giving me a reason for calling the dive would go a long way
€ towards pushing me into the not willing category.

One felony count of violating Real Men's Rules for Diving number seven,
one count of violating Real Men's Rules for Diving number two.

The accused is guilty as charged.

First offence, no prior record.

Ninety days.

Get him out of here.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001