Canon Digital Rebel versus Nikon D70

Hi,
I'm looking at the canon Digital Rebel and the Nikon D70. I flooded my housing
so I am looking to upgrade to a new camera and a new housing. I have a sea &
Sea YS-90 strobe. Which of these cameras would be my best choice? Will both be
able to use my strobe?

Thank you,
Paul

I am also looking at this matter and also have a YS90TTL Duo and will
probably buy the Nikon, however, because Nikon have introduced a new type of
TTL flash metering for the D70, which currently no-one produces an
underwater flash that will work as TTL with the D70.

You can use your YS90 and sync it wth the camera, but wil nedd to manually
control the exposure, either by aperture or ISO (ASA) rating.

If you have the same flash as me then there is also the option of using the
variable flash power setting dial.

"Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> wrote:

> I am also looking at this matter and also have a YS90TTL Duo and will
> probably buy the Nikon, however, because Nikon have introduced a new type of
> TTL flash metering for the D70, which currently no-one produces an
> underwater flash that will work as TTL with the D70.
>
> You can use your YS90 and sync it wth the camera, but wil nedd to manually
> control the exposure, either by aperture or ISO (ASA) rating.


Which in essence means that all of the automation features (TTL, etc)
that you're paying good money to improve your yield cannot be used.


> If you have the same flash as me then there is also the option of using the
> variable flash power setting dial.

Which is still shooting manual (just adding one more control variable).



Personally, I'd not compromise my new camera selection based on its
compatibility on some old strobe that I have laying around.

Especially if the strobe really isn't worth that much...a quick EBay
search infers that a used YS90 Duo is probably worth no more than $200,
which is also roughly half the price of a new one (without Sync Cord).


My advice would be:

a) sell the strobe (now, while you can still get anything for it)

b) select & buy the better digital camera

c) buy the compatible strobe for the aforementioned better camera.



-hh

> My advice would be:
>
> a) sell the strobe (now, while you can still get anything for it)
>
> b) select & buy the better digital camera
>
> c) buy the compatible strobe for the aforementioned better camera.
>
Or you could pay for a Fuji S2 Pro and housing which will TTL sync with the
all Nikon TTL flash.

However, currently the D70 is probably the best digital SLR for the money,
but no-one (other than the Nikon SB800 flash which is not an underwater
unit) wil sync at TTL with this.

"Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> wrote in message
news:41b4a77f.0@entanet...
> > My advice would be:
> >
> > a) sell the strobe (now, while you can still get anything for it)
> >
> > b) select & buy the better digital camera
> >
> > c) buy the compatible strobe for the aforementioned better camera.
> >
> Or you could pay for a Fuji S2 Pro and housing which will TTL sync with
the
> all Nikon TTL flash.
>
> However, currently the D70 is probably the best digital SLR for the money,

It is the best for middlin' money. but not for the money. Even though it is
expensive the EOS-DsMkII is easily the best digital camera on the market
right now, and worth every cent one chooses to pay for it. This is a
splendid superb camera. The best digital ever released, and I am Nikon guy.
It's going to be interesting to see what the D2X is about, because if it
doesn't meet or exceed the Canon there is going to be a significant number
of Nik users migrating to Canon and a whole lot of legacy glass for sale in
the meantime :^)

Has anyone here heard a reliable release date for the D2X? Suggestions
earlier were end of year, but with nothing happening now I imagine it has
been pushed back.

> but no-one (other than the Nikon SB800 flash which is not an underwater
> unit) wil sync at TTL with this.

Digital has made TTL less necessary and indeed almost without need. Most
will do much better manually managing their light with a digital camera than
they will relying on TTL. Shooting digital underwater is almost like
shooting wide angle in 5 feet of water on a sunny day. A slight bit of flash
will go a long long way in a digital body and the exposure mapping in the
camera will render (according to your settings) a nicely exposed image. If
you can aim your strobe/torch (which you've got to do with TTL anyway) you
can really create nicely lit photographs without relying on TTL.

"Ramone Cila" <dontw@nt.spam> wrote in message
news:g03td.33$Zy.2510@news.uswest.net...

Something I have been kicking around is making a couple housings for Nikon
N90/F90 and N8008/N801 bodies.

You can get really nice 35mm bodies off eBay for a couple hundred bucks, and
would be no huge loss to flood one, unlike a new digital.

I just bought a cherry N801 for $150. A 50mm 1.8 would probably take nice
pictures, if it would work with autofocus and metering, which is exactly
what I don't know (I'd probably make the housing out of black HDPE or
Acetal), you would need only one mechanism to trip the shutter. I'd like to
keep penetrations to a minimum and make them cheap to have. Infra-red
trigger of the flash, with a dismounted slave, would be something else I
would be interested in pursuing.

If the autofocus, metering and such work well underwater, you could
conceivably make it small and inexpensive enough to carry one for general,
and another for macro.


--
Both the cockroach and the bird would
get along very well without us, although
the cockroach would miss us most.
-- Joseph Wood Krutch

Could u send me a link to this camera?'m not familier w/it???

Thank u

"Ramone Cila" <dontw@nt.spam> wrote:

> "Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> wrote:
> > [Hugh wrote]:
> > > My advice would be:
> > >
> > > a) sell the strobe (now, while you can still get anything for it)
> > >
> > > b) select & buy the better digital camera
> > >
> > > c) buy the compatible strobe for the aforementioned better camera.
> > >
> > Or you could pay for a Fuji S2 Pro and housing which will TTL sync with
> the
> > all Nikon TTL flash.
> >
> > However, currently the D70 is probably the best digital SLR for the money,
>
> It is the best for middlin' money. but not for the money.


True, although there's always going to be trade-offs that have to be
made, and cost is usually one of them. Given that Tony's trying to
salvage a used strobe that lacks impressive performance values in the
first place (see http://www.ikelite.com/web_pages/compare_ys60.html),
the EOS-DsMkII is clearly out of his market range. FWIW, its also more
than I'd consider for a new system today too...afterall, a Nikon
CoolScan 5000 w/bulk feeder transforms to a mere $1600 accessory



[tony, continuing on the D70]:
> > but no-one (other than the Nikon SB800 flash which is not an
> > underwater unit) wil sync at TTL with this.

Ikelite is working on a TTL compatible UW strobe for the D70 & D100.

See URL http://www.ikelite.com/web_pages/2dm100strobes.html

....which reports that they expect to have it ready in 1Q 2005. BTW, do
note that they do already have an UW housing for the D70.

And its pure speculation on my part, but I'd anticipate that the
performance of their forthcoming D-70/D-100 compatible strobe will
probably be the equal of their SubStrobe DS-125, including its 1 sec
recycle time.


> Digital has made TTL less necessary and indeed almost without need. Most
> will do much better manually managing their light with a digital camera than
> they will relying on TTL. Shooting digital underwater is almost like
> shooting wide angle in 5 feet of water on a sunny day. A slight bit of flash
> will go a long long way in a digital body and the exposure mapping in the
> camera will render (according to your settings) a nicely exposed image. If
> you can aim your strobe/torch (which you've got to do with TTL anyway) you
> can really create nicely lit photographs without relying on TTL.

What do you attribute this to? A functionally wider 'exposure latitude'?


-hh

" H. Huntzinger" <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba@huntzinger.com> wrote in
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> What do you attribute this to? A functionally wider 'exposure latitude'?

Oh, absolutely....digital is negatives squared when it comes to exposure
latitude, even before post-production work begins. The management software
in upper level cameras is extraordinary. Essentially one uses far less light
with digital than with film. And the reason is the hardware sensitivity and
the exposure latitude. An expample is that Ike's DS125 is more than enough
strobe for any digital camera, but lacks sufficient power (I don't care what
his marketing position on it is) for film in most WA applications
underwater. In fact, the DS125 is actually far more strobe than one needs
underwater if shooting digital. Ike hit the nail on the head with that
particular product, it has almost perfect power and quality of light for
digital applications ---- I just wish he wouldn't tell people it and the
DS50 are equally effective for film shooters too.

>
> True, although there's always going to be trade-offs that have to be
> made, and cost is usually one of them.

As with everything in life! Just as you cannot get Ferrari performance &
handling from a £10,000 production car.

> Given that Tony's trying to salvage a used strobe that lacks impressive
> performance values in the
> first place (see http://www.ikelite.com/web_pages/compare_ys60.html),
> the EOS-DsMkII is clearly out of his market range. FWIW, its also more
> than I'd consider for a new system today too...afterall, a Nikon
> CoolScan 5000 w/bulk feeder transforms to a mere $1600 accessory
>
> Ikelite is working on a TTL compatible UW strobe for the D70 & D100.

As are other manufacturers, such as Inon. Their new models with modelling
light, laser pointer and twin flash tube look very good value for money &
feature wise. They are also rated to 100m (330ft) rather then the 60m
(200ft) of most of the other makes.

>
> See URL http://www.ikelite.com/web_pages/2dm100strobes.html
>
> ...which reports that they expect to have it ready in 1Q 2005. BTW, do
> note that they do already have an UW housing for the D70.

That would be nice, except that I've been told that Nikon have yet to
release details of the new iTTL system used on the D70, so unless they are
reverse engineering a Nikon 200 flash they wont be having a unit ready by
early 2005.

> And its pure speculation on my part, but I'd anticipate that the
> performance of their forthcoming D-70/D-100 compatible strobe will
> probably be the equal of their SubStrobe DS-125, including its 1 sec
> recycle time.

They will only be looking at a new TTL circuit, not an entire new flash, as
the additional cost of tooling up for the body, circuits and design would
then make it prohibitively expensive, especially with the speed of change in
digital photography.