Re: GI sentenced over Baghdad killing

"Fritz Wuehler" <fritz@spamexpire-200412.rodent.frell.eu.org> wrote in
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> http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/11/ir...ier/index.html
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> BAGHDAD (CNN) -- A U.S. soldier has been sentenced to three years in
> prison, forfeiture of all pay and a dishonorable discharge after he
> pleaded guilty to the killing of a severely wounded Iraqi civilian, the
> U.S. military said in a statement.
>
> Staff Sgt. Johnny M. Horne Jr., 30, of Winston-Salem, North Carolina,
> accepted a plea bargain Friday to one specification of murder and one
> specification of conspiracy to commit murder, the military said.
>
3 years for murder.
Clearly "it's only an Iraqi so it doesn't really matter"

Alun Harford

"Alun Harford" wrote ...
> 3 years for murder.
> Clearly "it's only an Iraqi so it doesn't really matter"

Probably worse than the punishment that a Moslem gets for killing a
non-Moslem in the Mid-East...

Grumman-581 wrote:

> "Alun Harford" wrote ...
>
>>3 years for murder.
>>Clearly "it's only an Iraqi so it doesn't really matter"
>
>
> Probably worse than the punishment that a Moslem gets for killing a
> non-Moslem in the Mid-East...
>
>
Of that I am sure. How much was Sadaam offering for suicide bombings?

"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Fritz Wuehler" <fritz@spamexpire-200412.rodent.frell.eu.org> wrote in
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> > http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/11/ir...ier/index.html
> >
> > BAGHDAD (CNN) -- A U.S. soldier has been sentenced to three years in
> > prison, forfeiture of all pay and a dishonorable discharge after he
> > pleaded guilty to the killing of a severely wounded Iraqi civilian, the
> > U.S. military said in a statement.
> >
> > Staff Sgt. Johnny M. Horne Jr., 30, of Winston-Salem, North Carolina,
> > accepted a plea bargain Friday to one specification of murder and one
> > specification of conspiracy to commit murder, the military said.
> >
> 3 years for murder.
> Clearly "it's only an Iraqi so it doesn't really matter"

Not at all.

Try this link:
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/C62466/

Staff Sgt. Johnny M. Horne Jr., 30, of Winston-Salem, N.C., was among
several soldiers who had found the wounded teenager on Aug. 18 in a burning
truck with severe abdominal wounds sustained during the clashes. A criminal
investigator had said during an earlier hearing that the soldiers decided to
kill him to "put him out of his misery."

In a plea bargain, Horne, a member of Company C, 1st Battalion, 41st
Infantry Regiment, from Fort Riley, Kan., pleaded guilty to one count of
unpremeditated murder and one count of soliciting another soldier to commit
unpremeditated murder. The charges are under Articles 118 and 81 of the
Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Note the charge - unpremeditated murder - second-degree murder - generally
considered a lesser offense as compared to first degree murder.
http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a...nd_degree.html

The same article points out that Michael P Williams has beenc harged with
premeditated murder. A tank commander accused of killing a critically
injured Iraqi has been ordered court-martialed, and Rogelio Maynulet will be
tried on assault with intent to commit murder.

So tell me, what punishment has Zharqawi faced from his fellow muslims for
mudering civilians? He's the chap that's been beheading people.


Dennis
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> Alun Harford
>
>

"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Clearly "it's only an Iraqi so it doesn't really matter"

Clearly, you are a clueless, arrogant, ignorant asshole.

You know nothing about the case, except that an American was charged and
convicted, and his conviction and sentence doesnt match your blind hatred
and your need to see anything and everything American slandered and shit on.

Remember the British Marine who was charged, and acquitted, with murder in
the Falklands?

I do.

The Brits were making the Argie sappers clear the minefield they planted
(only fair, really), and one of the Argies set off a mine, which
disemboweled him, but didn't kill him, and it was later determined that
there was no way for him to have survived his injuries, even if they had
occurred in the ER.

The British soldier, in an act of compassion you will never understand, shot
the Argie soldier in the head to end his suffering.

Similar situation, only this time it is an American, and the other integer
is that your ass is hanging out a mile.

"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
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> > Note the charge - unpremeditated murder - second-degree murder -
generally
> > considered a lesser offense as compared to first degree murder.
> > http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a...nd_degree.html
> And how many people convicted of second degree murder of a child only get
3
> years?
> Not many.

But it does happen.

> >
> > The same article points out that Michael P Williams has beenc harged
with
> > premeditated murder. A tank commander accused of killing a critically
> > injured Iraqi has been ordered court-martialed, and Rogelio Maynulet
will
> be
> > tried on assault with intent to commit murder.
> >
> > So tell me, what punishment has Zharqawi faced from his fellow muslims
for
> > mudering civilians? He's the chap that's been beheading people.
> >
> Given that a significant number of people believe he had something to do
> with Margaret Hassan's murder (despite the fact that it's unlikely), I
don't
> think he'd survive to get a sentence.

Why do you think its unlikely that he's involved with Margaret Hassan's
murder?

Ok, you mentioned in another post that the normal pinishment for a moslem
killing a non-moslem would be death.
This sentence has been carried out.....in how many cases over the past few
years?

Dennis
>
> Alun Harford
>
>

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Clearly "it's only an Iraqi so it doesn't really matter"
>
> Clearly, you are a clueless, arrogant, ignorant asshole.
When you havn't got an argument - Ad hominem.


>
> You know nothing about the case, except that an American was charged and
> convicted, and his conviction and sentence doesnt match your blind hatred
> and your need to see anything and everything American slandered and shit
on.
Actually I do know quite a bit about the case, but ho hum. Ad hominem.
>
> Remember the British Marine who was charged, and acquitted, with murder in
> the Falklands?

> it was later determined that
> there was no way for him to have survived his injuries, even if they had
> occurred in the ER.
That was the very dubious grounds that were used to get out of it IIRC.
That didn't apply in this case.

Ask yourself - would the sentance have been the same if he'd murdered an
american?

Alun Harford

"Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ask yourself - would the sentance have been the same if he'd murdered an
> american?

Homicide isn't necessarily murder, Alun.

Because you call it murder, especially so you can make another slimy attempt
at slandering my nation and countrymen, doesn't make it so.

I don't consider either act murder. Which is likely why there was no
conviction in the British case, and a 3 year sentence in the case of the
American, but only because people like you demand it. From the safety of
your distant seat.

In fact, if I were horribly wounded, eviscerated, and going to die, I would
hope that someone had the balls and compassion to shoot me in the head,
rather than let me slowly die in agony.

That you cant grasp that speaks volumes about you, and the weight of your
opinions.

"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:cWPud.6353$ZP5.1202@fe40.usenetserver.com...
> > > Note the charge - unpremeditated murder - second-degree murder -
> generally
> > > considered a lesser offense as compared to first degree murder.
> > > http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a...nd_degree.html
> > And how many people convicted of second degree murder of a child only
get
> 3
> > years?
> > Not many.
>
> But it does happen.

When? I'm certainly unaware of a case.

> > Given that a significant number of people believe he had something to do
> > with Margaret Hassan's murder (despite the fact that it's unlikely), I
> don't
> > think he'd survive to get a sentence.
>
> Why do you think its unlikely that he's involved with Margaret Hassan's
> murder?

1. Wrong target. (Previous targets were POWs - Margaret was an aid worker)
2. Wrong method. (Previous targets were beheaded)
3. Lack of identification.
4. Lack of ability (his own organisation would have lynched him)
5. Denial.

>
> Ok, you mentioned in another post that the normal pinishment for a moslem
> killing a non-moslem would be death.
> This sentence has been carried out.....in how many cases over the past few
> years?

Just look at the Amnesty reports.

Alun Harford

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Alun Harford" <alunharford@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:cpj9o7$2tl$1@gemini.csx.cam.ac.uk...
>
> > Ask yourself - would the sentance have been the same if he'd murdered an
> > american?
>
> Homicide isn't necessarily murder, Alun.
>
> Because you call it murder, especially so you can make another slimy
attempt
> at slandering my nation and countrymen, doesn't make it so.
>
> I don't consider either act murder. Which is likely why there was no
> conviction in the British case, and a 3 year sentence in the case of the
> American, but only because people like you demand it. From the safety of
> your distant seat.
>
> In fact, if I were horribly wounded, eviscerated, and going to die, I
would
> hope that someone had the balls and compassion to shoot me in the head,
> rather than let me slowly die in agony.
>
> That you cant grasp that speaks volumes about you, and the weight of your
> opinions.

It seems you are the one who doesn't know much about the case!
The doctors were pretty clear that it was unlikely that the child would have
died.

Alun Harford