Stem cell research pays off...

Good news for all you fans of mammarian protuberances.

Somehow, I dont think this is what the politicians who used stem cell
research as a podium had in mind;

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=624039

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Good news for all you fans of mammarian protuberances.
>
> Somehow, I dont think this is what the politicians who used stem cell
> research as a podium had in mind;
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=624039

Good news for you faggit. Maybe they will be able to grow you a set of
balls.
>
>

Don wrote:


>>Somehow, I dont think this is what the politicians who used stem cell
>>research as a podium had in mind;
>>
>>http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=624039
>
>
> Good news for you faggit. Maybe they will be able to grow you a set of
> balls.

Growing tits may not be the noblest of uses (then again, maybe it is, especially
since they seem to be doing it for reconstruction rather than enhancement) but what
else are you going to grow with fat cells? Bigger asses? At least the first baby
steps are leading to something useful. When they can grow other types of cells other
possibilities will open up. And they'll still be able to grow tits.

--
Steve

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"Steve" <SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
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<snip Don trying to hump my leg again with another sophomoric homosexual
fantasy>

> Growing tits may not be the noblest of uses (then again, maybe it is,
especially
> since they seem to be doing it for reconstruction rather than enhancement)
but what
> else are you going to grow with fat cells? Bigger asses? At least the
first baby
> steps are leading to something useful. When they can grow other types of
cells other
> possibilities will open up. And they'll still be able to grow tits.

Women have always had abortions, they will always have abortions, it should
at least be legal and safe. I don't agree with the practice, except under a
very narrow window of circumstances, but since it is going to happen, there
might as well be some benefit to society.

I had one friend who lost a breast to cancer, at it devastated her. To be
able to naturally reconstruct them is a huge bonus. They may also be able to
use some of it for reconstructing faces and such of burn or crash victims. I
think it's great. Breast implants are horrid, they look horrid, and they
cause big health problems. Plus, they feel weird when you feel 'em up...

Scott wrote:

> Women have always had abortions, they will always have abortions, it should
> at least be legal and safe. I don't agree with the practice, except under a
> very narrow window of circumstances, but since it is going to happen, there
> might as well be some benefit to society.

Stem cells DO NOT come form aborted fetuses - they can only be derived
from very young embryo's (i.e. less then 1 day post-fertilization). As
such most came from "leftovers" from fertility clinics. Of course, it
is now illegal in the US to make new ones, so scientists down there are
stuck with what's already been made. Thank god some governments have
kept their noses out of this, so the research can still continue. . .

Bryan

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@nospamucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
>
> > Women have always had abortions, they will always have abortions, it
should
> > at least be legal and safe. I don't agree with the practice, except
under a
> > very narrow window of circumstances, but since it is going to happen,
there
> > might as well be some benefit to society.
>
> Stem cells DO NOT come form aborted fetuses - they can only be derived
> from very young embryo's (i.e. less then 1 day post-fertilization). As
> such most came from "leftovers" from fertility clinics. Of course, it
> is now illegal in the US to make new ones, so scientists down there are
> stuck with what's already been made. Thank god some governments have
> kept their noses out of this, so the research can still continue. . .

IIRC, its only federal funding of the embryonic stem cell research that is
prohibited. Private companies, etc can do as they like.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation
where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content
of their character.

Germany's prohibited it since 1991, evidently including private research
http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20040831/04/

http://www.chennaionline.com/science.../26biotech.asp
The US Congress placed a moratorium on funding research on all forms of
activated human eggs in 1996. The President, in 2001, extended the
moratorium to include funding for stem cell research using the 'leftover'
human embryos. There are some limited numbers of ESCs that are available in
the research community which are exempt from this moratorium. Of the
existing cell lines, many are either duplicates or not viable for research,
according to several scientists. Hence, development of new embryonic stem
cell lines can go on only in privately funded laboratories. Currently, the
research remains legal but not fundable by federal dollars. There are still
attempts by various segments to declare such research illegal.

>
> Bryan

Dennis

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@nospamucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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> Stem cells DO NOT come form aborted fetuses - they can only be derived
> from very young embryo's (i.e. less then 1 day post-fertilization). As
> such most came from "leftovers" from fertility clinics.

http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/faqs.asp#wherefrom

Where do stem cells come from?
Pluripotent stem cells are isolated from human embryos that are a few days
old. Cells from these embryos can be used to create pluripotent stem cell
"lines" -cell cultures that can be grown indefinitely in the laboratory.
Pluripotent stem cell lines have also been developed from fetal tissue
obtained from fetal tissue (older than 8 weeks of development).

> Of course, it
> is now illegal in the US to make new ones, so scientists down there are
> stuck with what's already been made. Thank god some governments have
> kept their noses out of this, so the research can still continue. . .

Nice attempt at bashing America, but your information is incorrect.

Scott wrote:
> http://stemcells.nih.gov/info/faqs.asp#wherefrom
>
> Where do stem cells come from?
> Pluripotent stem cells are isolated from human embryos that are a few days
> old.

Pluripotent stem cells are not true embryonic stem cells. Pluripotent
means that they can produce several, but not all tissues in the body.
Totipotent stem cells (true embryonic stem cells, as in can make all
cells of the body) only exist for a few cell divisions after
fertilization, and as such must be harvested quite quickly after
fertilization.

> Cells from these embryos can be used to create pluripotent stem cell
> "lines" -cell cultures that can be grown indefinitely in the laboratory.

But these are not ES cells. Pluripotent cells, by definition cannot
produce all of the tissues in the body (pluri = most, toti = all). The
exact "range" of tissues which pluripotent cells can make depends on
when they're isolated - if isolated early they can make everything but
the placenta; at times these are sometimes called ES cells, but that is
controversial with many ES cell researchers. If isolated within a few
days post-fertilization they can make one of the three basic tissues
(mesichyme, endoderm or ectoderm). After that these cells become more
and more restricted in what they can make, until eventually you get
so-called "adult" stem cells which can only produce a few types of tissue.

> Pluripotent stem cell lines have also been developed from fetal tissue
> obtained from fetal tissue (older than 8 weeks of development).

To be absolutely correct it should be pointed out that the only stem
cells which have been found post-8 weeks tend to be hematopoietic stem
cells. Even in adults these cells seem to have some pluripotent
activity, although this is highly controversial. But pluripotent is not
ES - by definition ES cells can make EVERY tissue in the body, and thus
are totipotent, not pluripotent.

Ironically, you've pointed out one of the big problems there is in the
US with the funding ban - because the line between an ES cell and other
types of stem cells is not clearly defined it is not readily apparent
exactly what we can and cannot make.


>>Of course, it
>>is now illegal in the US to make new ones, so scientists down there are
>>stuck with what's already been made. Thank god some governments have
>>kept their noses out of this, so the research can still continue. . .
>
>
> Nice attempt at bashing America, but your information is incorrect.

Illegal is the wrong word, but after funding was cut public (and for
that matter much private) ES cell research has dwindled in the US (and
in the UK and other places where similar restrictions were put in
place). If you take a look at the literature being produced today, very
little ES cell work is coming out of the US. And most of what's coming
out is not of the quality it was before the funding ban. Likewise, many
US researchers have left for places where ES cell research is more
viable. For some reason you think this is America bashing - it is not -
it's just statement of fact.

Bryan

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@nospamucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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> Scott wrote:
>
> > Women have always had abortions, they will always have abortions, it
should
> > at least be legal and safe. I don't agree with the practice, except
under a
> > very narrow window of circumstances, but since it is going to happen,
there
> > might as well be some benefit to society.
>
> Stem cells DO NOT come form aborted fetuses - they can only be derived
> from very young embryo's (i.e. less then 1 day post-fertilization).

Horse hockey.

Unless of course you're referring specifically to "embryonic" stem cells.

Stem cells in general can be found in everybody.(http://tinyurl.com/4kl73)

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@nospamucalgary.ca> wrote in message
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/s...447607,00.html