We can all go back to living our own lives now

In article <5L13e.122$I12.746@news.uswest.net>, Scott
<pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote:

€ "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
€ news:114od0obuasln77@news.supernews.com...
€ >
€ > "Cam" <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message
€ > news:1112287748.063383.275340@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
€ > >
€ > > Douglas W. Popeye Frederick wrote:
€ > > > "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
€ > > > news:PfU2e.4$_V4.465@news.uswest.net...
€ > > >
€ > > > > Terri Schiavo has passed.
€ > > >
€ > > > Autopsy.
€ > >
€ > > Civil suit..
€
€ What a dildo.
€
€ Yeah, feed more lawyers, tie up the courts and taxpayers money, that'll
€ help.
€
€ > Christ, that'll be worse than Hummergate.
€
€ You can bet the lefties are going to run this one as far as it will run, but
€ are simultaneously able to ignore the murderers, corruption and lies in
€ their own ranks.
€

Scott, this has been a right wing circus from the beginning. You and
many of the right wing crowd are trying desperatly to blame this on
liberals, but it's only making you look foolish. What you fail to
realize is that your party is now owned and operated by the fanatical
right wing christians (lower case) that created and perpetuated this
fiasco. This may be a boon to the liberal cause, but it's entirely a
product of the far right wing..

€ And the lawyers are lining up to get their cut off both sides.
€

Sort of. Michael Schaivo's lawyer has been working pro-bono since 2002.
The Schindler's lawyers have been primarily funded by the Philanthropy
Roundtable.

http://www.mediatransparency.org/stories/schiavo.html


€ > But the autopsy determines who's right and who's wrong, for me, at any
€ > rate.
€
€ Sunflowers will turn to the sun, plants will turn leaves towards you if you
€ talk to them long enough. The love and determination of her parents was
€ touching, but misguided.
€
€ As far as I am concerned, it was wrong to keep her alive, and it was wrong
€ to starve and dehydrate her to death.
€
€ The rest of it is bullshit for the buzzards, er, lawyers/politicians to
€ profit from.
€
€ I realize that 13 days amounts to0.0023584905660377358490566037735849 % of
€ 5512 days of the suffering she endured, but it is just wrong.
€
€ It should have been legal and possible to end her suffering in a matter of
€ 1/2 a second or less, not 13 days that we wouldn't sentence a mass murderer
€ to. You cant legally kill a stray cat like that.
€
€ When I heard she died this morning, I was really glad for her. She is out of
€ this shithole. You and I are still here.
€
€ The sad part is that "people" are not done using her.
€

I heard a right wing pundit on the radio this morning (yeah, I know
about the radio) saying that, "your life doesn't belong to you. You
don't have the right to dictate if you live or die. Only God has that
right."

This is getting seriously scary. If these nutcases are pulling Bush's
strings, and they are, we as a country are in deep trouble.


€ Lets not forget that Doc Kevorkian is still in prison for helping terminally
€ ill people end their lives in a humane manner, with just a little dignity
€ (not much left when you are sentenced to die slowly in a morphine stupor)
€ and control. Now people are resigned to blowing their brains out or other
€ extreme measures, that the Bar will use to usurp even more rights, institute
€ more controls, pervert the Constitution and simple truth further. Imagine if
€ instead of coming home to find a loved one dead in a suicide, you could hold
€ their hand while they moved on. Instead of dying alone in a stupor, you
€ could pass surrounded by the people you love and love you.
€
€ Justice is a whore and shitbag lawyers are her pimp.
€
€ 40 judges in six courts were involved in the case at one point or another.
€
€ Terri Schiavo, Mike Schiavo, Terri's parents and siblings, and the taxpayers
€ are the victims.
€
€ Your best hope in a situation like hers is that someone cares enough about
€ you to punch your ticket.
€
€
€

"Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:310320051807485195%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com ...

I am going to tell you this one more time.

I didn't vote for Bush in his first term.

I only voted for Bush in this term because to vote for Kerry would have been
a disaster. Bush makes Kerry look like a candle in a room full of 100 watt
bulbs.

I am an American, not a republican, not a democrat.

When was the last time I tried to shove my spiritual beliefs up your ass?

This fucking mess isn't only the republicans, and one of these days you will
stop trying to hang everything, just everything on republicans while
simultaneously excusing and making excuses for the shit from the left.

American, go look it up.

Alan Street wrote:

>
> This is getting seriously scary. If these nutcases are pulling Bush's
> strings, and they are, we as a country are in deep trouble.
>

Yes, we got rid of the left wing, whose strings were being pulled by
every other nutcase in the country.


--

The constitution promises freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM
religion. Think about it, It ain't that hard to figure out. If your
religion is none, then deal with it.

I strongly urge everyone reading this to check out WWW.anysoldier.com,
and support our troops with a letter, a package or a donation.

"Crownfield" wrote in message news:424C94CF.7989@cox.net...
> she has been dead for 15 years.
>
> 15, that is fifteen, years.
>
> dead.
>
> nice house, no one lives there.

Wrong... The house *used* to be nice... It's rather rundown these days...

"TonyP" wrote in message news:A803e.18655$cQ6.3143@fe09.lga...
> I agree with the autopsy. But with the way things have gone, it would
> not surprise me if even this turns up "nothing".

Each side will somehow manage to interperet it differently... We haven't
heard the last of this case -- no matter how much we wish it would just *be
over*...

> Civil suit? What would be accomplished. She is dead and it won't bring
> her back.

Since when has the lack of being able to accomplish something prevented a
lawsuit? It's about power or money... I'm tired of hearing about it -- I
think we should pull the feeding tubes of the parents, the husband, and most
importantly all the lawyers and politicians involved... ON BOTH SIDES !

Speaking of death ... it seems that the Pope has had his last rites... Since
he also had them when he was shot many years ago, does that make the
previous ones his "second to last rights"?

"TonyP" <arpierre@Hooptonline.net> wrote in message
news:A803e.18655$cQ6.3143@fe09.lga...
> He, and all those involved will have to give an answer for what they have
done.


The LORD passed before him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God,
merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth"
Ex 34.6


3/31/05 FOX Poll: Majority Sees Removal of Feeding Tube as Act of Mercy


Thursday, March 31, 2005
By Dana Blanton

NEW YORK - By a significant margin the public views the removal of Terri
Schiavo's (search) feeding tube as an act of mercy rather than an act of
murder, according to the latest FOX News poll.

The new poll - taken prior to Schiavo's death - finds that a 54 percent
majority sees the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube as "an act of mercy" and
almost a third see it as "an act of murder" (29 percent), 7 percent say
"neither" and 11 percent are unsure.

Earlier in the month, 59 percent of Americans said they would remove her
feeding tube if they were Terri's guardian and 24 percent would keep it
inserted (March 1-2).

Among those most likely to believe removing the feeding tube was an act of
murder are blacks (50 percent), Republicans (39 percent), conservatives (38
percent) and those under age 30 (35 percent). At 67 percent, self-identified
liberals are most likely to call it an act of mercy, as do clear majorities
of Democrats (60 percent), men (58 percent) and independents (56 percent).

Beliefs on what should have happened in the Schiavo case appear to be
closely tied to what respondents would want to happen to them under similar
circumstances. If they were in Schiavo's place, a 61 percent majority says
they would want their guardian to remove the feeding tube, 24 percent would
want the tube to remain and 15 percent are unsure.

These new results show a shift from earlier in the month when 74 percent
said they would want the feeding tube removed if they were in this situation
and 15 percent would keep it inserted (March 1-2).

Young people are much less likely to say they would want their feeding tube
removed. Liberals are almost 20 points more likely than conservatives to say
they would want the tube removed.

Opinion Dynamics Corporation conducted the national telephone poll of 900
registered voters for FOX News on March 29-30, several days after Schiavo's
feeding tube had been removed and after her situation, including her
parents' repeated attempts to have the courts intervene, had received
significant news coverage. Schiavo died March 31, the morning after the poll
was completed.

Terri Schiavo needed a feeding tube to stay alive since becoming
brain-damaged in 1990; the tube was removed on March 18. Nearly one in four
Americans (23 percent) believe if her feeding tube had remained there was a
chance that down the road she could have improved.

Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo (search), successfully argued in the courts
that his wife told him she would not want to be kept alive by artificial
means. More than 4 in 10 Americans (43 percent) believe the husband is
telling the truth and that Terri did tell him her wishes, 25 percent
disagree and about a third are unwilling to venture an opinion.

If it were up to the public to decide Terri's guardianship, slightly more
would have put her husband in control of her care (46 percent) than would
have put her parents in charge (43 percent).

Fully 78 percent of Americans say even prior to the recent news coverage of
the Schiavo case they had discussed end of life medical decisions with their
family or friends. Other recent polling shows that around 40 percent of
Americans have taken the next step and put their wishes on paper in the form
of a living will.

When asked about the "decision to remove" Schiavo's feeding tube, 42 percent
of Americans say they agree with the decision and 38 percent disagree, with
20 percent unsure. While these results seem somewhat out of line with
related questions, there are several possible explanations. One possibility
is that a significant number of people may agree with the outcome (the
removal of the tube) but feel the process (the decision) was made hastily or
in an invalid fashion.

Also, in earlier polling, many questions described Schiavo's situation and
sometimes noted the wishes of her husband and her parents, before asking
about removing or keeping the tube, while this question asked a
non-descriptive, simple "agree or disagree" specifically about the decision
to remove the tube.

Schiavo and Politics

It has been suggested by some political pundits that the decline in
President George W. Bush's job approval ratings in recent polls is related
to his intervention in the Schiavo case. Indeed, the latest FOX News poll
also shows a 3-percentage point drop in the president's approval; however,
tying that specifically to his actions on the Schiavo case is tough to do.

President Bush's current job approval rating is 49 percent (down from 52
percent at the beginning of the month) and his disapproval rating is 46
percent (up from 39 percent). The poll asked a follow up question that
allowed respondents to explain in their own words why they
approve/disapprove of the president's job performance.

Among those disapproving, Schiavo was mentioned by 2 percent. More broadly,
disagreement on issues is mentioned by 20 percent, which is about the same
as when the question was asked a year ago January (19 percent). The other
reasons most often named for disapproving include Iraq (40 percent), doing a
bad job in general (16 percent), the economy (14 percent), "doesn't care
about average people" (12 percent), dislike of Bush as a person (10
percent), and Social Security (8 percent).

On the issue of congressional intervention, over a third of Americans (37
percent) think the actions Republicans took in the Schiavo case will hurt
them in the next election, compared to 25 percent that think the actions
Democrats will hurt them.

Oh my god. You and I agree. The more we play god, the more we will
pay.

I'm glad. It's a true disgrace that it dragged on this long. There is
one thing that can be taken from this that is positive and that thing
should affect all of us. That thing is the owness of responsibility.
So... looky here:

Do you have a living will that states clearly what you want done in the
event that you are injured to the point that it might mean putting you
on life support of feeding tubes or a ventilator, etc ??

Do you have someone designated to make those decisons for you in the
event that you can not make decisions due to medical or mental illness
??

Do you have the necessary papers signed by a spouse or family member so
that you can carry out their wishes ??

If you answer no to those questions after this "Terry SchiavoMedia
Circus that has gone to the Supreme Court".... then shame on you for
being an idiot. Or... maybe you wish the courts to decide your fate
after your family and friends have argued it out.

>> > > Terri Schiavo has passed.

This is old news. She has been dead for 14-15 years.

Apparently neither law nor religion has caught on to the reality that
a "functioning" human body does not necessarily contain human life.

I am generally proud of the USA, but in this case I must say that I
am ashamed of my country's behavior. The Bush brothers have shown
themselves to be greater idiots than I could have imagined -- not
that they were alone in this.

--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.

"Charlie Hammond" <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote in message
news:rad3e.2737$1O2.1774@news.cpqcorp.net...
>
> >> > > Terri Schiavo has passed.
>
> This is old news. She has been dead for 14-15 years.
>
> Apparently neither law nor religion has caught on to the reality that
> a "functioning" human body does not necessarily contain human life.
>
> I am generally proud of the USA, but in this case I must say that I
> am ashamed of my country's behavior.

Be ashamed of your government's behavior.

Your fellow citizens and Judiciary did just fine.

> The Bush brothers have shown
> themselves to be greater idiots than I could have imagined -- not
> that they were alone in this.

I got a feeling DeLay's fixin to get roasted.