We can all go back to living our own lives now

"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
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> how can the government decide to take down a cross?
>
> "Congress shall make no law
> respecting an establishment of religion,
> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

So it's OK for me to erect a statue of myself on public land, next to the
cross, as a symbol of the holy religion of Mossmanism?

If the cross wants to stay, it should pay rent like anyone else.

Alan Street wrote:

> In article <cKg3e.55$DQ2.319@news.uswest.net>, Scott
> <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> € "Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message
> € news:010420051044376199%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com ...
> €
> € > Why would I say that to someone doing an ostrich imitation?
> €
> € Because you are being an arrogant prick? Thats almost funny coming for a
> € supporter of terrorism under Clinton and the UN.
> €
> € > Is it coming down? If and when it does, I expect there will be several
> € > arrests, and likely even a bit of shooting over it. We've got every
> € > right wing talk show host in town whipping their audiences into a
> € > frenzy over this, and those that want it to stay are getting pretty
> € > vocal and militant about it.
> €
> € It has been there for 50 years, and is part of a memorial to our war dead.
> € That means somehting to a lot of people, people who actually paid for the
> € freedoms you use to trash their ideals and memorials.
> €
> € WHO THE FUCK IS IT HURTING?
> €
> € You libs get your panties all wound in a knot, waste taxpayer dollars and
> € piss people off at every turn, and you dont understand why people are sick
> € of your shit, and why you keep losing elections.
> €
> € You are all so progressive and intelligent, why does a stupid fucking cross,
> € that happens to mean a lot to a lot of people, go so far up your ass?
> €
>
> Who said it does? Up until a couple of years ago, I lived about 200
> yards from that cross, drove past it every day on my way to work and
> spent quite a bit of time in that park. It's a beautiful setting for
> Easter services. I happen to like the cross just as it is, and I think
> the guy that brought the suit against the city did so just because he's
> a professional gadfly. I don't know of anyone who personally had a
> problem with the cross, but unfortunately its presence on public land
> does violate the seperation of church and state.

WHere does it say "separation of church and state" in the constitution?

My copy only says that there can be no law mandating a religion.

You can worship any way you choose. (look up the real reason this was
included in the Constitution)


The city has tried a
> number of tactics, some bodering on illegal, to try and save the cross,
> but it looks like they've pretty much mishandled and overly politicised
> the whole thing.



--

The constitution promises freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM
religion. Think about it, It ain't that hard to figure out. If your
religion is none, then deal with it.

I strongly urge everyone reading this to check out WWW.anysoldier.com,
and support our troops with a letter, a package or a donation.

In article <424DF2D8.7EF9@cox.net>, Crownfield <Crownfield@cox.net>
wrote:

€ Alan Street wrote:
€ >
€
€
€ > but unfortunately its presence on public land
€ > does violate the seperation of church and state.
€
€ disagree.
€

Perhaps so, but every court that has reviewed the case disagrees with
you.

"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
news:424DF19D.2212@cox.net...

> the cross does not care. the taxpayers want it to stay.

So you leave it up to the majority, which happen to be Christians.
Unfortunately this tactic excludes Jews, Buddhists, Atheists, and
Mossmanists because a majority of taxpayers don't vote to support their
religions. That's why government has no business supporting any religion.
It simply ain't fair to the others.

> if the presidents can say so help me god,
> why can not the taxpayers do it?

It's a slippery slope. Why can't the taxpayers vote to let them hold church
services in courtrooms and other public meeting halls free of charge? Why
can't the taxpayers vote to let government money directly support Christian
schools, churches, and nunneries? Why can't the taxpayers vote that no
Christians have to pay taxes, only Jews, Mormons, and Mossmanists?

> and i am not even religious...

Bless you.

Alan Street wrote:
>


> but unfortunately its presence on public land
> does violate the seperation of church and state.

disagree.

just because the government allows you to present ideas in public,
on their land ( our land ),
does not mean that the government endorses these ideas.

some times the free thinking liberals
seem unable to think clearly about simple problems.
the concept of 'do nothing. nothing needs to be done' escapes them.
they want to fix things that are not broken.


they will liberalize the US
until there is no longer anything worth liberalizing,
and the free society is gone, and there are no more values.

sad.

Greg Mossman wrote:

> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:424DC36E.25A0@cox.net...
>
>
>>how can the government decide to take down a cross?
>>
>>"Congress shall make no law
>>respecting an establishment of religion,
>>or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
>
>
> So it's OK for me to erect a statue of myself on public land, next to the
> cross, as a symbol of the holy religion of Mossmanism?
>

Yeah, Go ahead, the pigeons need somewhere else to shit.


--

The constitution promises freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM
religion. Think about it, It ain't that hard to figure out. If your
religion is none, then deal with it.

I strongly urge everyone reading this to check out WWW.anysoldier.com,
and support our troops with a letter, a package or a donation.

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UYadnQspK9XPZ9DfRVn-vw@comcast.com...

> Greg Mossman wrote:

> > So it's OK for me to erect a statue of myself on public land, next to
the
> > cross, as a symbol of the holy religion of Mossmanism?

> Yeah, Go ahead, the pigeons need somewhere else to shit.

Pigeons have more class than that.

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UYadnQkpK9WyZNDfRVn-vw@comcast.com...

> When will we stop paying (and for that matter recognizing) the Christmas
> and Easter holidays, and therefore cease to pay holiday pay to all
> federal, state and local government workers?

Christmas is a religious holiday?

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:UYadnQkpK9WyZNDfRVn-vw@comcast.com...
>
>
>>When will we stop paying (and for that matter recognizing) the Christmas
>>and Easter holidays, and therefore cease to pay holiday pay to all
>>federal, state and local government workers?
>
>
> Christmas is a religious holiday?
>
>
yup

--

The constitution promises freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM
religion. Think about it, It ain't that hard to figure out. If your
religion is none, then deal with it.

I strongly urge everyone reading this to check out WWW.anysoldier.com,
and support our troops with a letter, a package or a donation.

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:NRm3e.52$%D2.1059@news.uswest.net...

> Sure. And when you do it, erect a monument to the people who gave their
> lives for you to be free to be the cuntbubble you are.
>
> How many worship at the Temple of Mossman?

Clearly you, by your undying devotion to my posts.

> What kind of car do you drive?

I have a choice.

> Ever use public transp[ortation to ease the load on the environment?

Of course, though my main intent is to avoid traffic.

> No, you dont, because you are the lowest of whores.

Actually, when I don't it's because I have to get somewhere unreachable by
public transportation and, unlike you, lots of people rely on me to be at
certain places at certain times. Southern California happens to be like
that.

> Right. Perfect from a pimp of a faggot lawyer.

There you go with the homophobia again. I'd be concerned about my sexuality
if I were you. Fortunately I'm not you.

> They fought, died and killed so you could have the freedom to be the
> galactic cuntbubble you are.

I like the phrase "galactic cuntbubble". It has a pleasant ring to it.

> You dont have to be.

But if I want to visit the public land I have to walk in the shadow of an
oppressive religion, one that is responsible for killing many of my Jewish
ancestors over the past centuries?

> Libs and Mossman represent the absolute madness of the far left, and the
> deeply rooted ills of the Bar.

Actually, from your posts, I'd guess you're much more representative of the
deeply rooted ills of the bar.

> And he can do is everything he can to run his idea of life up everyone's
> ass, and fail.

I have no problem with crosses on private land. Why do you people have to
run your idea of religion over everyone's ass?

> Mossman is the shining example of why the left keeps losing and fucking
> up.

Speaking of losing, how's your new governor doing? Apparently you right
wingers are still going at her:

"A Whatcom County woman has been charged with sending a series of
increasingly threatening e-mails to Gov. Christine Gregoire. Lee Ann
Linville, 44, of Birch Bay, wrote that the governor was 'dead meat to God'
and that 'There is going to be a murder attempt on your life, your childrens
lives and your husband,' charging papers filed in Whatcom County Superior
Court said. Linville also claimed to have foreknowledge of the Sept. 11,
2001, terrorist attacks, prosecutors said. She claimed the government had
stolen her money and that Gregoire should pay her $2.5 million. From
January to March, she sent 10 e-mails to the governor's office. Gregoire
said yesterday she did not know of the threats but isn't worried." -- AP,
3/29/05