What a great country.

Douglas W. Popeye Frederick wrote:
> Wisconsin Considers Legalizing Cat Hunting
>

I'll add that to the list that already includes BBQ pork and
Rock'n'Roll.

Go Cheeseheads!

Douglas W. Popeye Frederick wrote:
> Wisconsin Considers Legalizing Cat Hunting
>
> MADISON, Wis. (April 12) - Feline lovers holding pictures of cats,
clutching
> stuffed animals and wearing whiskers faced-off against hundreds of
hunters
> at meetings around Wisconsin to voice their opinion on whether to
legalize
> cat hunting.
>
> Residents in 72 counties were asked whether free-roaming cats -
including
> any domestic cat that isn't under the owner's direct control or any
cat
> without a collar - should be listed as an unprotected species. If
listed as
> so, the cats could be hunted.

I don't know that that is such a great idea, I thought there were
regulations on how far from a residence you had to be before you could
discharge a firearm..

Leg hold traps can be set anywhere, don't mess up the pelts, and you
don't have to worry about chiping your teeth on ceramic shot.

Grandad used to call it roof-rabbit.

Wisconsin Considers Legalizing Cat Hunting

MADISON, Wis. (April 12) - Feline lovers holding pictures of cats, clutching
stuffed animals and wearing whiskers faced-off against hundreds of hunters
at meetings around Wisconsin to voice their opinion on whether to legalize
cat hunting.

Residents in 72 counties were asked whether free-roaming cats - including
any domestic cat that isn't under the owner's direct control or any cat
without a collar - should be listed as an unprotected species. If listed as
so, the cats could be hunted.

The proposal was one of several dozen included in a spring vote on hunting
and fishing issues held by the Wisconsin Conservation Congress. The results,
only advisory, get forwarded to the state Natural Resources Board.

Statewide results were expected Tuesday.

La Crosse firefighter Mark Smith, 48, helped spearhead the cat-hunting
proposal. He wants Wisconsin to declare free-roaming wild cats an
unprotected species, just like skunks or gophers. Anyone with a small-game
license could shoot the cats at will.

At least two other upper Midwestern states, South Dakota and Minnesota,
allow wild cats to be shot - and have for decades. Minnesota defines a wild,
or feral, cat as one with no collar that does not show friendly behavior,
said Kevin Kyle with that state's Department of Natural Resources.

Every year in Wisconsin alone, an estimated 2 million wild cats kill 47
million to 139 million songbirds, according to state officials. Despite the
astounding numbers, Smith's plan has been met with fierce opposition from
cat lovers.

Critics of Smith's idea organized Wisconsin Cat-Action Team and developed a
Web site - dontshootthecat.com. Some argue it is better to trap wild cats,
spay or neuter them, before releasing them.

In Madison, about 1,200 people attended the Monday evening meeting at the
Alliant Center - more than the 250 or so in a typical year, but less than
the 3,000 or so who took part in a debate in 2000 over whether to allow
hunters to shoot mourning doves.

One of the attendees was Katy Francis, who wore cat ears, whiskers, a cat
nose and a sign that read, ''Too Cute to Kill.'' For Francis, ''The cat
hunting thing brought me out because it was very extreme.''


AP-NY-04-12-05 0812 EDT


--
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"Geoff" <geoff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> The math is based on the numbers used to justify the killing.

Here is why I dont accept your math.

> What's
> unacceptable about the math? Simple multiplication and division based
> on the stated populations and dead bird numbers quoted in the article.
> Numbers that were probably unfounded to begin with.

But you went ahead and applied more math to bad math.

> The point of the math is to reduce the "impressiveness" of numbers
> like 2 million and 139 million. Divide 140 million by 2 million and
> you get 70, the number of birds supposedly killed by each cat in a
> year. The millions cancel each other out... duh.

Keep it up.

> 70 kills in a year is just a little more than one per week.
>
> Make up some statistics, throw a few "millions" out there and impress
> the unthinking and call it a day. Job well done.
>
> Now, show me where the math is erroneous.

See above.

> Cats typically raid the rabbit nests, killing the young ones before
> they breed, scaring off the mother rabbit. I've seen feral and
> domestic cats hunt, they are very capable of killing a rabbit, even
> full grown. A cat can kill a mouse in about 12 seconds if it's hungry
> and doesn't want to play with the new toy first. Ah, but there's
> another one of them thar' statisicles.

Pure bullshit.

> I don't have to look in the mirror. I can see both sides of this issue
> and my analysis of the "statistics" defeats the "pro-hunt" side by
> showing the fallacy of their made-up statistics. The anti-hunters have
> no logical basis at all and it's purely an emotional response without
> offering any alternative.
>
> You have clearly erred in concluding I was taking the anti-hunt side.
> This makes you appear very stupid.

No, actually, I was using what you chose to post as fact and accurate.

You put it forward, so if anyone is stupid it would be you.

> >> "47% of all statistics are made up on the spot."
> >
> >Too bad statistics don't now, and never will, accurately model nature.
>
> And you didn't even understand the meaning of the quote.
>
> LOL! Shit-headed twit.

Oh good. Now we have dropped into the realm of sophomoric insults because I
didnt buy what you are selling, because it si bullshit.

> Nature in operation is nothing but statistics in operation. Boyle's
> law. Physics. Quantum mechanics. Thermodynamics. These are all things
> which are modeled by statistics and upon which your life as a diver
> depends.

I could write a book on what you don't know about Mother Nature and Math,
especially concerning population dynamics, but I wont.

Math is man's attempt to pigeon hole and define nature to his satisfaction.

You live your life by math, I'll live mine by reality.

Dickhead.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 15:24:43 -0700, "Scott"
<pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>If we accept your math, which I do not.

The math is based on the numbers used to justify the killing. What's
unacceptable about the math? Simple multiplication and division based
on the stated populations and dead bird numbers quoted in the article.
Numbers that were probably unfounded to begin with.

The point of the math is to reduce the "impressiveness" of numbers
like 2 million and 139 million. Divide 140 million by 2 million and
you get 70, the number of birds supposedly killed by each cat in a
year. The millions cancel each other out... duh.

70 kills in a year is just a little more than one per week.

Make up some statistics, throw a few "millions" out there and impress
the unthinking and call it a day. Job well done.

Now, show me where the math is erroneous.

>
>> Either that or the cats are killing something
>> else that is probably _much_ easier to kill... hmmmm what could that
>> be? Mice? Rats? Rabbits? Gophers? Other ground-dwelling vermin? Do ya
>> think? Deplete the predator population and watch the vermin population
>> explode.
>
>The rabbits we have here will kick the shit out of a cat. Moles and gophers
>are likely targets, but it doesnt take long for a feral cat population to
>deplete that resource.

Cats typically raid the rabbit nests, killing the young ones before
they breed, scaring off the mother rabbit. I've seen feral and
domestic cats hunt, they are very capable of killing a rabbit, even
full grown. A cat can kill a mouse in about 12 seconds if it's hungry
and doesn't want to play with the new toy first. Ah, but there's
another one of them thar' statisicles.

>
>> Never let an issue rest until it's completely blown out of all
>> proportion.
>
>Take a look in the mirror.

I don't have to look in the mirror. I can see both sides of this issue
and my analysis of the "statistics" defeats the "pro-hunt" side by
showing the fallacy of their made-up statistics. The anti-hunters have
no logical basis at all and it's purely an emotional response without
offering any alternative.

You have clearly erred in concluding I was taking the anti-hunt side.
This makes you appear very stupid.

>
>> "47% of all statistics are made up on the spot."
>
>Too bad statistics don't now, and never will, accurately model nature.

And you didn't even understand the meaning of the quote.

LOL! Shit-headed twit.

Nature in operation is nothing but statistics in operation. Boyle's
law. Physics. Quantum mechanics. Thermodynamics. These are all things
which are modeled by statistics and upon which your life as a diver
depends.

Scott wrote:
> <ajames54@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1113339466.124906.234380@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > I don't know that that is such a great idea, I thought there were
> > regulations on how far from a residence you had to be before you
could
> > discharge a firearm..
>
> Depends upon where you live, and whether or not your neighbors are
barking
> moonbats.
>
> > Leg hold traps can be set anywhere, don't mess up the pelts, and
you
> > don't have to worry about chiping your teeth on ceramic shot.
>
> Leg hold traps are illegal in many places, cruel in all, especially
where
> there are small neighbor dogs.

aren't the dogs on a leash? if the dogs are allowed to run free too
just wait ten years then the ferral dog population will keep the cats
in check.

>
> Ceramic shot? I use .22 CB caps with 100% success.

not a bad shot then ... those suckers are fast, and pretty durn
skittish.
(unless of course you are using a cat blind rather than stalking them
or using beaters)

>
> > Grandad used to call it roof-rabbit.
>
> A cat shooting and eating Canadian?

Gradad was a Welshman who grew up through two depressions.. personally
I find the idea of eating anything that eats Carrion to be disgusting.

"Geoff" <geoff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Either that or the cats are killing something
> else that is probably _much_ easier to kill... hmmmm what could that
> be? Mice? Rats? Rabbits? Gophers?

Here in Colorado there isn't many cats that are gonna kill a healthy
rabbit, and they can't touch the prairie dogs either. The hawks, eagles and
owls get the rats and mice....and indeed the cats too. What's the problem
really. If humans, and human habits, don't feed 'em the cats haven't got
much a chance of making it on their own.

I am pretty suspicious of this deadly "Feral Cat" population. One would
think that in Wisconsin the Winter Kill alone would rid the land of most of
them, that is if humans weren't sheltering and feeding 'em.

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Wisconsin Considers Legalizing Cat Hunting
>


Hey, I'm all for it. I live "out in the country" where we have a very
serious feral cat problem. The last two nights I have been woken up by
feline females in heat; not a attractive thing to listen to at 3am. I can
rent cages from the humane society to trap the damn things but it'll cost me
money and expose me to liability should any one of the animals be hurt or
die in the process. That doesn't seem right.

And while we are on the subject, how about chickens...? This idea that
roosters only crow at sunrise is pure fiction. They crow all night and day.
And they are ugly, disagreeable things. Even my Labrador won't mess with
them. I just don't understand why, with all the poverty on this Island,
those damn things are so numerous. Doesn't anyone want a free chicken
dinner?


suds

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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Here is another reason to off cats;

http://www.wtsp.com/news/news.aspx?storyid=13223

<ajames54@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't know that that is such a great idea, I thought there were
> regulations on how far from a residence you had to be before you could
> discharge a firearm..

One must always use the proper tool for the job... In many cases, a .22
would be appropriate... For cases where a .22 might disturb your neighbors,
a 1000 fps air rifle is acceptable... Then again, the air rifle is
acceptable even if it isn't legal... <evil-grin>