Potential Life Saving Procedures

In article <1122609989.386005.268820@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
Salty <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote:

€ Alan Street wrote:
€
€ > Salty <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote:
€ > € Lemme see here. In case of emergency....
€ > € 1. If I'm at home, they should know who I am.
€ > € 2. If I'm in my car, they should know who I am. I have ID in my car at
€ > € all times so even if, for some bizarre reason, I don't have my picture
€ > € driver's license, they still can get my insurance card and owner's card
€ > € out of the glove box.
€
€ > The issue isn't figuring out who you are, the issue is knowing who to
€ > call for permission to turn off the respirator
€
€ Alan, I love ya... but....
€

,


€ 1. "Respirator" is a term for a machine that takes the surrounding air
€ and purifies it. Firemen wear a respirator. Patients do not. Patients
€ in need of breathing assistance wear a "Ventilator", not a respirator.
€ (Yes some wear C-pap or bi-pap but that's another matter and still not
€ a respirator.) Sorry to be 'picky-une' but I've worked with vent
€ patients and I'm tired of hearing the news media screw up the terms all
€ the time.
€

It was a bad attempt at trying to sound like Grumman. But thanks for
the education. I learned something new today.




€
€ Lastly, this is another case in point for "what in the heck did we do
€ and how did we ever manage to get by at all before cell phones"
€ Sorry, but I don't buy into it at all.
€

Mobile phones are just another tool. We got by fine without them, but
they also make life a lot easier now that they're available. As for the
ICE idea, it's just an attempt to solve a problem that rescue workers
have faced in the past. It's not a perfect solution, but it's also not
a bad idea.

In article <ZSkGe.63240$%K2.45056@pd7tw1no>, chilly
<slarson@shaw.canada> wrote:

€ "Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message
€ news:280720052348402547%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com ...
€ > In article <tojGe.62856$5V4.61208@pd7tw3no>, chilly
€ > ?
€ > ? Why on earth, would I have an entry labeled "Home" on my cell phone?
€ > ?
€ >
€ > Because the phone uses the caller ID data and the phonebook information
€ > to identify an incoming caller. Calls from my home landline show up as
€ > "HOME" on the caller ID window. These calls almost always get
€ > answsered, lest I incurr the wrath of my wife or daughters when I get
€ > home .
€
€ My point was, assuming that I'm not one to be blown up in a London Metro
€ tunnel, there's no reason for me to have all that info available on my cell.
€

OK. But what if you're in an auto accident and are unconcious when they
load you into an ambulance. Is there someone you'd like notified of
your condition? If there is, putting that number in an ICE entry would
help. If not, then no big deal.


€ Me, I rarely carry my cell around with me, especially when I'm out
€ socializing. My friends OTOH, almost always carry their cells with them and
€ I can't even count how many times they've lost them.
€
€ About a year (and probably a bit) ago, a friend of mine left her purse with
€ cell behind in one of our favorite watering holes. Within 24 hours, a bad
€ guy had presented her cell to get it reassigned to him. The bad guy was not
€ arrested nor suffered any penalty for his attempt at bad behavior.

That's probably because it's not a crime to find lost property. It's
wrong to keep it, but it's not a crime that the police are going to
persue.

In article <FTiGe.3637$Na6.1751302@twister.nyc.rr.com>, Steve
<SPAMTRAPglawackus@hvc.rr.com> wrote:

€ Salty wrote:
Do your friends know that you're putting all of them at risk with your
phone?

Ask Paris Hilton's friends

"nitespark" wrote in message news:ecpGe.53890$rb6.44943@lakeread07...
> I don't know if this is universal or just particular to this area, but I
> have taken cell phones to a cell phone company and they were ultimately
> able to tell me who it belonged to or assist me in getting it back to
> them whether the service was with that company or not.

If my attempts at calling people in the cell phone's phonebook had not
worked, I might have tried that... As it was, I didn't and it only took
about 5-10 minutes of my time...

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "nitespark" wrote in message news:ecpGe.53890$rb6.44943@lakeread07...
>
>>I don't know if this is universal or just particular to this area, but I
>>have taken cell phones to a cell phone company and they were ultimately
>>able to tell me who it belonged to or assist me in getting it back to
>>them whether the service was with that company or not.
>
>
> If my attempts at calling people in the cell phone's phonebook had not
> worked, I might have tried that... As it was, I didn't and it only took
> about 5-10 minutes of my time...
>
>

If it works, go for it.

I got the ICE message a few days ago. After only a little thought, I not
only put ICE in my cell phone's phonebook, I put Emergency in as well.
While it may or may not be of some use in an emergency, I could not find a
downside. It's not like I have a shortage of available entries.

My phone is always with me. It's with me when I'm working, driving, diving
(in my dry box) or cruising around the Everglades on my ATV. There are
usually other ways I can be identified, but I can't think of any more
reliable way of ensuring that my wife is aware I have a problem . . . or
worse.

Lee

Thus spake "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com> :

>I got the ICE message a few days ago. After only a little thought, I not
>only put ICE in my cell phone's phonebook, I put Emergency in as well.
>While it may or may not be of some use in an emergency, I could not find a
>downside. It's not like I have a shortage of available entries.
>
>My phone is always with me. It's with me when I'm working, driving, diving
>(in my dry box) or cruising around the Everglades on my ATV. There are
>usually other ways I can be identified, but I can't think of any more
>reliable way of ensuring that my wife is aware I have a problem . . . or
>worse.
>
>Lee
>

My phone is always with me. Unfortunately, even when diving. I also
have an emergency contact card in my wallet next to my insurance card.
Along with my organ donor card.

--
dillon

Linux, it's not just an OS, it's a way
of life.

And a damn fine one, at that.

chilly wrote:
> "Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote in message:

> So what was that thing I had to wear after the broncoscopy? It sucked
> itself to my face and forced air into me. In advance of the procedure, they
> told me I'd likely have to be intubated afterwards, but fortunately, that
> wasn't necessary.

It probably was called a Bi-Pap Machine. Not sure. Did they make you
wear it only at nite or 24 /7 ?? C-Paps and Bi-Paps are usually
sleeper machines.

> (BTW, please turn on your carets)

Oh heck... the caret shit ticks me off. Here's my carrots
-----##########

> >>2. If "they"/paramedics or whomever know your identity, then they
> often can determine your last wishes, esp if you have your living will
> registered with the State or the local hospitals or your doctor. Worse
> case scenerio, they can call a relative and let the relative decide,
> which could even let the paramedics/whomever off the legal hook. In
> addition, along with our driver's license and other ID, many of us
> carry papers that do not leave all the guess work up to the
> >>paramedics/whomever at all.
>
> I could still speak for myself (though barely) and I quite frankly told them
> I didn't want to be intubated, if it came to that. An argument ensued. :^)
> The medicos told me that as a young woman, otherwise quite healthy, there
> was no way that they wouldn't intubate me to save my life, "if it came to
> that". Considering my absolute refusal, they told me that assuming they
> could make me well enough and in the fullness of time, they'd hook me up
> with *another kind* of doctor since that seemed necessary. lol
>
> >>For instance, my driver's license is very
> clearly stamped that I wish to be an organ donor. That indictates that
> they need to keep me 'on ice' for a little while longer if they are to
> preserve any body parts and as such, it could determine my fate of
> being on a machine, even if just long enough to 'cultivate' my heart so
> that it can be cut out of my dead or near-dead body and given to
> someone who is waiting for a transplant... and then the machine turned
> >>off to let me die.
>
> My driver's licence also says that, but I couldn't see that anyone was the
> least bit interested in anything my driver's licence had to say.
>
> >>3. In many cases, you won't be put on a vent in the first place. That
> decision will be made for you regardless of whatever you have in
> writing to dictate otherwise and whatever your relatives want. You'll
> be 'left to die' the way that god probably intended before all these
> >>machines were invented.
>
> My recent experience says otherwise. Despite my express advice that I did
> not want to be put on a vent, they told me they'd do it regardless of my
> emphatic determination. To this day, I still believe the only reason I
> recovered, was not from an extreme desire to live, but from my extreme
> desire *not* to be intubated along the way.
>
> (snip)

Hi Chill... hope to see ya
I firmly dove out of the that pool. I disregarded so much there but I
couldn't stop. I needed to nestle into the Sicilian cover, I'm just
resting nice and not bothering no body.

Alan Street wrote:

> It was a bad attempt at trying to sound like Grumman. But thanks for
> the education. I learned something new today.

No... you were fine with this. :)

> Mobile phones are just another tool. We got by fine without them, but
> they also make life a lot easier now that they're available. As for the
> ICE idea, it's just an attempt to solve a problem that rescue workers
> have faced in the past. It's not a perfect solution, but it's also not
> a bad idea.

Not a bad idea at all. BUt it is one that I think scumbags will try to
rip off our children and our family. I think we should smell the wolf
coming. He is. Hub got an email today that said 'Your GM Card is
compromised and frozen. Thank you for your co-operation in calling our
center and not using your current cards." Nice. We have no cards for
a few days. Very weird.

> My point was, assuming that I'm not one to be blown up in a London Metro
> tunnel, there's no reason for me to have all that info available on my
> cell.

You might not be blown up in a London Metro tunnel, but you might be
involved in a plane or car crash, or have any of a number of unexpected
medical problems someplace where nobody knows you.

>> OK. But what if you're in an auto accident and are unconcious when they
>> load you into an ambulance. Is there someone you'd like notified of
>> your condition? If there is, putting that number in an ICE entry would
>> help. If not, then no big deal.

>I think we're stretching it a bit too far. We're assuming the cell
> phone is there in the car and that it will work. You're giving
> personal information that thieves can act upon. Enough is enough with
> the cell phone personal info on display. Sooner or later the hacker
> teams will absulutely adore it. Your cell phone is too fluid.

It's a phone number. How many other phone numbers do you keep in your
phone's phone book? Are you listed in the paper phone book? Do you program
your name and other information as the owner of the phone or other
electronic devices? I think you're being more than a little too paranoid.

If the idea of private information in your own cell phone's phonebook
bothers you, I can hardly wait to see your reaction to the fact that anybody
with a little authority has no problem at all figuring out where you are if
you're carrying your cell phone, particularly a modern cell phone. Most
modern cell phones have built in GPS functions.

> Perhaps the car companies need to make their own box of information for
> the car. IEO, your car can record everything about you and where you
> live, etc. and who you have as a passanger.... or other cars that your
>car doesnt like. LOL You can put your doggie right into fight mode by
> making it register the other cars it doesn't like.

If you have On Star, you already have something similar. OK, it can't tell
who is in the car, but it can listen to everything that is said in the car.
It's an always on radio connection straight into your front seat.

Lee