Opinion...

This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman, US
Marine Corps, Retired:

"For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On
the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the
actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and
fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.

I humbly offer my opinion here:
I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
(Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came
after 9/11.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.

I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under
savage dictatorships.

I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.

I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their
religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.

I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and
high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."

I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a
token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial
supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame
the USA for all their problems.

I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed
masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of
our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).

I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of
the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk
suffered.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide
bombers upon their death.

I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will
receive 72 virgins in "paradise."

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies,
children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate
targets.

I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape
rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.

I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other
group.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control
of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.

I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy
Site."

I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade
Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox
Church - one of our Holy Sites.

I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole,
the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel
Pearl, etc....etc!

I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized
village in Africa.

America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those
responsible because that is what we do.

We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on.
That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff
like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we
were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners.
Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until
captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to
wring our hands because a few were humiliated?

Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people
killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating
Fallujahans.

If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long
wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.

Chuck Pitman Lieutenant General, USMC (Ret)

--
An American friend of mine - living in Canada - says that in the US, greed
is acceptable but envy is a sin. In Canada it is just the opposite. I would
suggest that envy is our national sport. And no one inspires more envy in us
than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes we
may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying.

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11fqia158egrm50@news.supernews.com...
> This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman,
US
> Marine Corps, Retired:
>
> "For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On
> the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the
> actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and
> fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
>
> I humbly offer my opinion here:
> I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
> sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
> (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
>
> I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came
> after 9/11.
>
> I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
>
> I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under
> savage dictatorships.
>
> I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
>
> I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their
> religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
>
> I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country
and
> high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."
>
> I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than
a
> token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
>
> I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial
> supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs
blame
> the USA for all their problems.
>
> I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed
> masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements
of
> our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
>
> I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of
> the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk
> suffered.
>
> I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide
> bombers upon their death.
>
> I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will
> receive 72 virgins in "paradise."
>
> I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies,
> children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate
> targets.
>
> I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape
> rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
>
> I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any
other
> group.
>
> I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize
control
> of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
>
> I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
>
> I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy
> Site."
>
> I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World
Trade
> Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox
> Church - one of our Holy Sites.
>
> I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole,
> the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel
> Pearl, etc....etc!
>
> I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized
> village in Africa.
>
> America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those
> responsible because that is what we do.
>
> We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on.
> That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff
> like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
>
> Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we
> were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners.
> Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until
> captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed
to
> wring our hands because a few were humiliated?
>
> Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people
> killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating
> Fallujahans.
>
> If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long
> wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.
>
> Chuck Pitman Lieutenant General, USMC (Ret)

AhhOORAH!

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/200...y-sheehan.html

http://www.marinetimes.com/story.php...25-2981331.php

http://www.dixiesappers.org/hhc/journal/archive.html

http://sgtport.blogspot.com/

http://www.uppermansblog.blogspot.com/

http://texasaurus.blogspot.com/

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:

> This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman, US
> Marine Corps, Retired:
>
> "For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On
> the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the
> actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and
> fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
>
> I humbly offer my opinion here:
> I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
> sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
> (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
>
> I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came
> after 9/11.
>
> I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
>
> I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under
> savage dictatorships.
>
> I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
>
> I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their
> religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
>
> I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and
> high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."
>
> I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a
> token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
>
> I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial
> supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame
> the USA for all their problems.
>
> I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed
> masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements of
> our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
>
> I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of
> the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk
> suffered.
>
> I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide
> bombers upon their death.
>
> I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will
> receive 72 virgins in "paradise."
>
> I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies,
> children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate
> targets.
>
> I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape
> rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
>
> I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other
> group.
>
> I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control
> of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
>
> I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
>
> I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy
> Site."
>
> I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade
> Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox
> Church - one of our Holy Sites.
>
> I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole,
> the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel
> Pearl, etc....etc!
>
> I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized
> village in Africa.
>
> America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those
> responsible because that is what we do.
>
> We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on.
> That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff
> like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
>
> Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we
> were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners.
> Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until
> captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to
> wring our hands because a few were humiliated?
>
> Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people
> killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating
> Fallujahans.
>
> If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long
> wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.
>
> Chuck Pitman Lieutenant General, USMC (Ret)
>
> --
> An American friend of mine - living in Canada - says that in the US, greed
> is acceptable but envy is a sin. In Canada it is just the opposite. I would
> suggest that envy is our national sport. And no one inspires more envy in us
> than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes we
> may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying.
>
>
my feelings and most americans' feelings based on the last elections-
except for the Polls????

Thanks for posting Doug, - we need more people to uphold what America is
really for - no tlike some of the leftist weenies that try (very poorly
I might add) to post bullshit to try and sway us to "their"(wrong) side.

Popeye,

Thanks for the reality check for the people that don't have a clue. I had
to print this one out. It is ironic that one of the best columnists of our
time used to write about this sort of thing, and could pull in a lot of
angles to give the big picture: That would be William Saffire from the New
York Times..maybe that's why he retired from that POS.

George

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11fqia158egrm50@news.supernews.com...
> This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman,
> US
> Marine Corps, Retired:
>
> "For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On
> the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the
> actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and
> fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
>
> I humbly offer my opinion here:
> I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
> sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
> (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
>
> I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came
> after 9/11.
>
> I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic Arabs.
>
> I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor under
> savage dictatorships.
>
> I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.
>
> I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their
> religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled media.
>
> I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and
> high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."
>
> I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than
> a
> token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.
>
> I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial
> supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs
> blame
> the USA for all their problems.
>
> I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own brainwashed
> masses do not understand any of this (from the misleading vocal elements
> of
> our society like radical professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).
>
> I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of
> the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk
> suffered.
>
> I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide
> bombers upon their death.
>
> I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking they will
> receive 72 virgins in "paradise."
>
> I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women, babies,
> children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians are legitimate
> targets.
>
> I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the gang rape
> rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents of their own making.
>
> I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any
> other
> group.
>
> I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control
> of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.
>
> I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on Fallujah.
>
> I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy
> Site."
>
> I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World
> Trade
> Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox
> Church - one of our Holy Sites.
>
> I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole,
> the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of Nick Berg and Daniel
> Pearl, etc....etc!
>
> I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized
> village in Africa.
>
> America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those
> responsible because that is what we do.
>
> We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We move on.
> That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff
> like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.
>
> Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we
> were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners.
> Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until
> captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed
> to
> wring our hands because a few were humiliated?
>
> Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people
> killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating
> Fallujahans.
>
> If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long
> wait! You have a better chance of finding those seventy-two virgins.
>
> Chuck Pitman Lieutenant General, USMC (Ret)
>
> --
> An American friend of mine - living in Canada - says that in the US, greed
> is acceptable but envy is a sin. In Canada it is just the opposite. I
> would
> suggest that envy is our national sport. And no one inspires more envy in
> us
> than our southern neighbor. It is a shame, because any legitimate gripes
> we
> may have about America get lost in a sea of childish wolf-crying.
>
>

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman, US
> Marine Corps, Retired:
>
> "For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue. On
> the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the
> actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and
> fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
>
> I humbly offer my opinion here:
> I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
> sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
> (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).

Let's be serious - the US, like every other country, has only ever
entered wars when it's been in their national interest to do so. Justify
the war if you like, but do it honestly; don't pretend its altruism.

"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
news:43005d31$0$11066$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> > This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck
Pitman, US
> > Marine Corps, Retired:
> >
> > "For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue.
On
> > the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the
> > actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and
> > fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
> >
> > I humbly offer my opinion here:
> > I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
> > sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
> > (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
>
> Let's be serious - the US, like every other country, has only ever
> entered wars when it's been in their national interest to do so. Justify
> the war if you like, but do it honestly; don't pretend its altruism.

Nobody said it was altruism.

What he said, among the vast majority you snipped without comment, was
"the last 7 times we took up arms", ect.

You cited that, did you have a comment on it?

Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> "BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:43005d31$0$11066$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
>>Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>>
>>>This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck
>
> Pitman, US
>
>>>Marine Corps, Retired:
>>>
>>>"For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue.
>
> On
>
>>>the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the
>>>actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and
>>>fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
>>>
>>>I humbly offer my opinion here:
>>> I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
>>>sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
>>>(Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
>>
>>Let's be serious - the US, like every other country, has only ever
>>entered wars when it's been in their national interest to do so. Justify
>>the war if you like, but do it honestly; don't pretend its altruism.
>
>
> Nobody said it was altruism.
>
> What he said, among the vast majority you snipped without comment, was
> "the last 7 times we took up arms", ect.
>
> You cited that, did you have a comment on it?

Only that I get a bit sick of the attempts by both sides to paint the
war as either justified by noble ideals or evil empire building. The US
went to war in Iraq, and every other time, because the leadership
believed it was in the national interest to do so. If people would only
study how politics works a bit before wading in we wouldn't have to put
up with these continued attempts to start flame wars by repeated
off-topic inflamatory postings to Usenet.

"BarryNL" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
news:43005d31$0$11066$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> > This "Letter of Apology" was written by Lieutenant General Chuck
Pitman, US
> > Marine Corps, Retired:
> >
> > "For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain an issue.
On
> > the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor the stupidity of the
> > actions while on the other hand, political glee will take control and
> > fashion this minor event into some modern day massacre.
> >
> > I humbly offer my opinion here:
> > I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
> > sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
> > (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
>
> Let's be serious - the US, like every other country, has only ever
> entered wars when it's been in their national interest to do so. Justify
> the war if you like, but do it honestly; don't pretend its altruism.

So what national interests were served by Bosnia & Kosovo?
So what natioal interests were served by Somalia?


Dennis

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
news:11g0tc3iifamq2b@news.supernews.com...

>> > I humbly offer my opinion here:
>> > I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and
>> > sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims
>> > (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).
>>
>> Let's be serious - the US, like every other country, has only ever
>> entered wars when it's been in their national interest to do so. Justify
>> the war if you like, but do it honestly; don't pretend its altruism.
>
> Nobody said it was altruism.
>
> What he said, among the vast majority you snipped without comment, was
> "the last 7 times we took up arms", ect.
>
> You cited that, did you have a comment on it?

Actually, I do, now that you mention it. He only gave four examples.
Bosnia and Kosovo were really part of the same "war" and Kosovo wasn't just
defense of Muslims, but all ethnic Albanians (though they were predominantly
Muslim, I'll give him that).

But how do you separate Gulf War I and Kuwait, and what are the other four?
Somalia, perhaps. That's another one, I guess. Now we're at four.

Stiil, I don't think there were too many Muslim Haitians. Or Muslim
Panamanians. Or Muslim Grenadines.

So I'm sorry too, but this guy is full of shit. Or just senile.

Dennis (Icarus) wrote:

>
> So what national interests were served by Bosnia & Kosovo?
> So what natioal interests were served by Somalia?
>
>
> Dennis

So! What national interest was served by Special Operations Command
inside the Pentagon protecting Mohammud Atta from exposure before 9/11
and after?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165414,00.html

Should we thank FOX NEWS from breaking away from Aruba for a second to
mention this even though they softened the news in their typical "Coup
Damage Control"
style?

Some aren't being as soft on bush and his co-conspiritors.

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/51648.htm

How about that. while Slick Willie was getting head, hard core PNAC
insider operatives were setting up and selling out the good old USA.

Knowing now of the traitorous GOP tentacles into the Clinton Pentagon,
we can figure why the coup was so certain that they had the contested
"Military Absentee Vote" in 2000.

Tic-Tock, the evidence mounts.