OT I went diving yesterday to try out the new camera housing

On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jun 24, 5:03 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > wrote:
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> > > > Obviously they are not up to the standard of a specialised camera used
> by
> > > > someone who knows what they are doing and won't be appearing in any
> dive
> > > > magazines but for what I want this seems to be good.
>
> > > For our Australia trip in Dec 2002, I bought a Canon A70 with the Canon
> > > housing, along with a Sea&Sea strobe
> > > Got some fairly decent results
>
> > Where? If you call blurry blue photos fairly decent then I guess you
> > didn't waste your money, but I hope you didn't spend more than $100 on
> > the package.
>
> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.

Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
>> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
> seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.


The Master at work:



http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...ealSubject.jpg

--

"I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF

Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com

On Jun 25, 7:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
> > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> The Master at work:
>
>
>
> http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>
> --
>
> "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
> a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
> I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>
> Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com

Not sure the point of this photo. It shows a photographer
concentrating hard on something on the black coral ledges at what
appears to be Cousins Rock in the Galapagos. I guess you want us to
think he's oblivious to the sea lion above him. Not surprising. Unless
he has eyes in the top of his head, it would be pretty hard to see
that seal from where he is. They don't make any noise underwater, so
there's no reason for him to look up, especially if he's hunting in
the black coral for the seahorses that hang out there. At the same
time, for all I know, he already has a dozen shots of the sea lion, or
he's about to. All this shows is what happened during the 1/60th of a
second when the shutter was open on this camera, and nothing about
what happened before or after.

On Jun 25, 4:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
>
> > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
> > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> The Master at work:
>
>
>
> http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...

Gee, what a handsome fella. The photographer ain't so bad either.

On Jun 25, 5:50 pm, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 7:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
>
>
>
>
>
> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
> > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> > The Master at work:
>
> >
>
> > http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>
> > --
>
> > "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
> > a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
> > I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>
> > Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com
>
> Not sure the point of this photo. It shows a photographer
> concentrating hard on something on the black coral ledges at what
> appears to be Cousins Rock in the Galapagos. I guess you want us to
> think he's oblivious to the sea lion above him. Not surprising. Unless
> he has eyes in the top of his head, it would be pretty hard to see
> that seal from where he is. They don't make any noise underwater, so
> there's no reason for him to look up, especially if he's hunting in
> the black coral for the seahorses that hang out there.

Ya mean like this?

http://users.adelphia.net/~gmossman/...g_Seahorse.htm

It ain't the best shot, but that camera setup really sucked. I love
my D200. Shot some nice wide-angle today.

> At the same
> time, for all I know, he already has a dozen shots of the sea lion, or
> he's about to. All this shows is what happened during the 1/60th of a
> second when the shutter was open on this camera, and nothing about
> what happened before or after.

It also might have something to do with the fact that Southern
California is one of the best spots to see sea lions, so why waste
time shooting them in the Galapagos when I can concentrate on the
stuff unique to that area?

Here's one with too much backscatter:

http://users.adelphia.net/~gmossman/...g_Sea_Lion.htm

I wish I could bring the D200 and housing on my trip in August, but I
promised myself I'm shooting video the next time. Thanks to a luggage
embargo, we're limited to 2 bags each and there's no way to bring
video and camera housings, scuba gear, and clothes for two weeks with
such a strict limit.

On Jun 25, 9:07 pm, Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 5:50 pm, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 7:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
>
> > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
> > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> > > The Master at work:
>
> > >
>
> > > http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>
> > > --
>
> > > "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
> > > a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
> > > I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>
> > > Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com
>
> > Not sure the point of this photo. It shows a photographer
> > concentrating hard on something on the black coral ledges at what
> > appears to be Cousins Rock in the Galapagos. I guess you want us to
> > think he's oblivious to the sea lion above him. Not surprising. Unless
> > he has eyes in the top of his head, it would be pretty hard to see
> > that seal from where he is. They don't make any noise underwater, so
> > there's no reason for him to look up, especially if he's hunting in
> > the black coral for the seahorses that hang out there.
>
> Ya mean like this?
>
> http://users.adelphia.net/~gmossman/...g_Seahorse.htm
>
> It ain't the best shot, but that camera setup really sucked. I love
> my D200. Shot some nice wide-angle today.
>
> > At the same
> > time, for all I know, he already has a dozen shots of the sea lion, or
> > he's about to. All this shows is what happened during the 1/60th of a
> > second when the shutter was open on this camera, and nothing about
> > what happened before or after.
>
> It also might have something to do with the fact that Southern
> California is one of the best spots to see sea lions, so why waste
> time shooting them in the Galapagos when I can concentrate on the
> stuff unique to that area?
>
> Here's one with too much backscatter:
>
> http://users.adelphia.net/~gmossman/...g_Sea_Lion.htm
>
> I wish I could bring the D200 and housing on my trip in August, but I
> promised myself I'm shooting video the next time. Thanks to a luggage
> embargo, we're limited to 2 bags each and there's no way to bring
> video and camera housings, scuba gear, and clothes for two weeks with
> such a strict limit.

Yeah, I thought later about the fact that sea lions for you are like
politicians here in Washington for me...

gc

"George Cathcart" <george.cathcart@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1182819004.216997.282720@w5g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
> On Jun 25, 7:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
>> >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>>
>> > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
>> > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
>> > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
>> > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
>> > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
>> > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
>> > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>>
>> The Master at work:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>>
>> --
>>
>> "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
>> a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
>> I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>>
>> Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com
>
> Not sure the point of this photo.

Try working your way through the photos' title, and put it to the context
of the discussion.

Don't forget the emoticon, indicating humor.

>It shows a photographer
> concentrating hard on something on the black coral ledges at what
> appears to be Cousins Rock in the Galapagos. I guess you want us to
> think he's oblivious to the sea lion above him. Not surprising. Unless
> he has eyes in the top of his head, it would be pretty hard to see
> that seal from where he is. They don't make any noise underwater, so
> there's no reason for him to look up, especially if he's hunting in
> the black coral for the seahorses that hang out there. At the same
> time, for all I know, he already has a dozen shots of the sea lion, or
> he's about to. All this shows is what happened during the 1/60th of a
> second when the shutter was open on this camera, and nothing about
> what happened before or after.

You need to have a beer and get laid.

The photograph was sent to me by the subject, and titled by him as well.



--

"I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF

Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:1182819181.167733.6930@o61g2000hsh.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Jun 25, 4:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
>> >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>>
>> > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
>> > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
>> > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
>> > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
>> > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
>> > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
>> > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>>
>> The Master at work:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>
> Gee, what a handsome fella. The photographer ain't so bad either.


Was it your dive buddy with the monster gams?

--

"I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF

Popeye/ www.finalprotectivefire.com

On Jun 25, 9:33 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182819004.216997.282720@w5g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 7:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> >> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googleg roups.com...
>
> >> > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> >> >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> >> > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> >> > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
> >> > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> >> > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> >> > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> >> > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> >> > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> >> The Master at work:
>
> >>
>
> >>http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>
> >> --
>
> >> "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
> >> a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
> >> I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>
> >> Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com
>
> > Not sure the point of this photo.
>
> Try working your way through the photos' title, and put it to the context
> of the discussion.
>
> Don't forget the emoticon, indicating humor.
>
> >It shows a photographer
> > concentrating hard on something on the black coral ledges at what
> > appears to be Cousins Rock in the Galapagos. I guess you want us to
> > think he's oblivious to the sea lion above him. Not surprising. Unless
> > he has eyes in the top of his head, it would be pretty hard to see
> > that seal from where he is. They don't make any noise underwater, so
> > there's no reason for him to look up, especially if he's hunting in
> > the black coral for the seahorses that hang out there. At the same
> > time, for all I know, he already has a dozen shots of the sea lion, or
> > he's about to. All this shows is what happened during the 1/60th of a
> > second when the shutter was open on this camera, and nothing about
> > what happened before or after.
>
> You need to have a beer and get laid.
>
> The photograph was sent to me by the subject, and titled by him as well.
>
> --
>
> "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
> a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
> I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>
> Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com

Yep, a little self-deprecating humor from Greg that you posted to
undermine his criticism of one of your buddies.

I drink lemonade, and I get laid plenty, thanks.

:-P

On Jun 25, 6:34 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182819181.167733.6930@o61g2000hsh.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 4:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> >> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googleg roups.com...
>
> >> > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> >> >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> >> > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> >> > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
> >> > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> >> > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> >> > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> >> > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> >> > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> >> The Master at work:
>
> >>
>
> >>http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>
> > Gee, what a handsome fella. The photographer ain't so bad either.
>
> Was it your dive buddy with the monster gams?

Whoosh. Handsome fella = sea lion. Ain't-so-bad-photog = yours
truly, in my usual modest manner. Chick with the gargantuan gams
wasn't on the trip. I'm not sure who snapped the pic of me. I think
it was the boat's photo pro.