OT I went diving yesterday to try out the new camera housing

On Jun 26, 9:16 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
wrote:
> "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 11:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > wrote:
> > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:1182740082.514545.6480@u2g2000hsc.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > > > > > On Jun 24, 5:03 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Obviously they are not up to the standard of a specialised
> camera
> > > used
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > someone who knows what they are doing and won't be appearing
> in
> > > any
> > > > > dive
> > > > > > > > magazines but for what I want this seems to be good.
>
> > > > > > > For our Australia trip in Dec 2002, I bought a Canon A70 with
> the
> > > Canon
> > > > > > > housing, along with a Sea&Sea strobe
> > > > > > > Got some fairly decent results
>
> > > > > > Where? If you call blurry blue photos fairly decent then I guess
> you
> > > > > > didn't waste your money, but I hope you didn't spend more than
> $100 on
> > > > > > the package.
>
> > > > > <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
>
> > > We were pretty shallow, so I didn't thunk a strobe was necessary.
>
> > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> > > I didn't do any phototshoping or cropping.
> > > So you think the composition and technique would be the fault of the
> camera?
>
> > > Take a look at any of the others?
>
> > > Dennis
>
> > No, I don't think he's saying the composition and technique are the
> > fault of the camera.
>
> The thing is, then, I got something out of he photos - more than I'd get by
> selling it on e-bay.
> Regardless of whatever problems he thinks there might be, technically,
> compositionally, whatever.
>
>
> I'll make sure to not make this mistake again. If that's what I have to put
> up with, I can stick to the non-diving threads.
>
>
> Dennis

I agree. If you're happy with the results, that is all that matters.
But as any writer, photographer, sculptor, actor or other artist or
artisan will tell you, once you publish your work, even on the Web,
you are fair game for the opinions of others.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:55:47 +1000, "dechucka"
<dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote:

>
><Mike from Ottawa> wrote in message
>news:doi08313b6vq1l241k3v5u73ab5c7p2gd9@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:22:09 +1000, "dechucka"
>> <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:fb34$467f4b9e$1860878d$22244@KNOLOGY.NET.. .
>> <snip>
>>>Hey I want some nice shot when I go to the GBR don't want to concentrate
>>>to
>>>much on picture taking and have a great time
>>
>> With any kind of digital camera, just ensure that the batteries are
>> fully charged and take tons of photos. It's a sure bet that some of
>> them will be excellent, even if you just get lucky.
>
>A good mate of mine gave me the same advice with film. I often wondered how
>he got such great shots and he used to say it took a roll or two

Yeah, but it's sooooo much cheaper and easier with digital media. I
haven't gotten into u/w photography, but I imagine it's much the same
as on terra firma -- try to compose your shots, be quick, take lots of
shots, and hope to get lucky. U/w, you're also going to have to fight
currents, etc.

I have a Nikon D70S, and it's been a great camera. Took me an evening
and a few glasses of Scotch to get through the damn book. I've been
using PaintShop Pro v9 to touch up the photos, and it's so far my
favourite tool. Gotta try Photoshop, despite the learning curve. I
was aware of contract, colour depth, etc, but I discovered the
"unsharp mask" -- it does the opposite from what it sounds, sharpening
everything (you have to avoid the temptation to overuse it). Amazing
how you can save photos by cropping and touching up.

On Jun 26, 6:23 am, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gamil.com> wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182820059.837609.63660@q75g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 5:50 pm, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 25, 7:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
>
> > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> > > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> > > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe,
> the
> > > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> > > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the
> best
> > > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> > > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to
> sell
> > > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> > > > The Master at work:
>
> > > >
>
> http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > --
>
> > > > "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you asked
> > > > a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
> > > > I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>
> > > > Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com
>
> > > Not sure the point of this photo. It shows a photographer
> > > concentrating hard on something on the black coral ledges at what
> > > appears to be Cousins Rock in the Galapagos. I guess you want us to
> > > think he's oblivious to the sea lion above him. Not surprising. Unless
> > > he has eyes in the top of his head, it would be pretty hard to see
> > > that seal from where he is. They don't make any noise underwater, so
> > > there's no reason for him to look up, especially if he's hunting in
> > > the black coral for the seahorses that hang out there.
>
> > Ya mean like this?
>
> >http://users.adelphia.net/~gmossman/...g_Seahorse.htm
>
> > It ain't the best shot, but that camera setup really sucked. I love
> > my D200. Shot some nice wide-angle today.
>
> Who is it that's always pattering on about a craftsman and blaming his
> tools?

I'm not sure. Who is it?

On Jun 26, 6:49 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 9:16 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1182858187.732113.258220@k79g2000hse.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > On Jun 25, 11:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > wrote:
> > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:1182740082.514545.6480@u2g2000hsc.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 24, 5:03 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Obviously they are not up to the standard of a specialised
> > camera
> > > > used
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > someone who knows what they are doing and won't be appearing
> > in
> > > > any
> > > > > > dive
> > > > > > > > > magazines but for what I want this seems to be good.
>
> > > > > > > > For our Australia trip in Dec 2002, I bought a Canon A70 with
> > the
> > > > Canon
> > > > > > > > housing, along with a Sea&Sea strobe
> > > > > > > > Got some fairly decent results
>
> > > > > > > Where? If you call blurry blue photos fairly decent then I guess
> > you
> > > > > > > didn't waste your money, but I hope you didn't spend more than
> > $100 on
> > > > > > > the package.
>
> > > > > > <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> > > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> > > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
>
> > > > We were pretty shallow, so I didn't thunk a strobe was necessary.
>
> > > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> > > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> > > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> > > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> > > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> > > > I didn't do any phototshoping or cropping.
> > > > So you think the composition and technique would be the fault of the
> > camera?
>
> > > > Take a look at any of the others?
>
> > > > Dennis
>
> > > No, I don't think he's saying the composition and technique are the
> > > fault of the camera.
>
> > The thing is, then, I got something out of he photos - more than I'd get by
> > selling it on e-bay.
> > Regardless of whatever problems he thinks there might be, technically,
> > compositionally, whatever.
> >
>
> > I'll make sure to not make this mistake again. If that's what I have to put
> > up with, I can stick to the non-diving threads.
> >
>
> > Dennis
>
> I agree. If you're happy with the results, that is all that matters.
> But as any writer, photographer, sculptor, actor or other artist or
> artisan will tell you, once you publish your work, even on the Web,
> you are fair game for the opinions of others.

If he had simply posted them as an example of the output of the camera
setup, I'd have probably remained silent. It was his characterization
of the shots as "decent" that I objected to.

On Jun 26, 7:05 pm, Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 6:49 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 9:16 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1182858187.732113.258220@k79g2000hse.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > On Jun 25, 11:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >news:1182740082.514545.6480@u2g2000hsc.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 5:03 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Obviously they are not up to the standard of a specialised
> > > camera
> > > > > used
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > someone who knows what they are doing and won't be appearing
> > > in
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > dive
> > > > > > > > > > magazines but for what I want this seems to be good.
>
> > > > > > > > > For our Australia trip in Dec 2002, I bought a Canon A70 with
> > > the
> > > > > Canon
> > > > > > > > > housing, along with a Sea&Sea strobe
> > > > > > > > > Got some fairly decent results
>
> > > > > > > > Where? If you call blurry blue photos fairly decent then I guess
> > > you
> > > > > > > > didn't waste your money, but I hope you didn't spend more than
> > > $100 on
> > > > > > > > the package.
>
> > > > > > > <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4 years.
>
> > > > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth. The
> > > > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a strobe, the
>
> > > > > We were pretty shallow, so I didn't thunk a strobe was necessary.
>
> > > > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically, they're
> > > > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the best
> > > > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier Reef
> > > > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to sell
> > > > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> > > > > I didn't do any phototshoping or cropping.
> > > > > So you think the composition and technique would be the fault of the
> > > camera?
>
> > > > > Take a look at any of the others?
>
> > > > > Dennis
>
> > > > No, I don't think he's saying the composition and technique are the
> > > > fault of the camera.
>
> > > The thing is, then, I got something out of he photos - more than I'd get by
> > > selling it on e-bay.
> > > Regardless of whatever problems he thinks there might be, technically,
> > > compositionally, whatever.
> > >
>
> > > I'll make sure to not make this mistake again. If that's what I have to put
> > > up with, I can stick to the non-diving threads.
> > >
>
> > > Dennis
>
> > I agree. If you're happy with the results, that is all that matters.
> > But as any writer, photographer, sculptor, actor or other artist or
> > artisan will tell you, once you publish your work, even on the Web,
> > you are fair game for the opinions of others.
>
> If he had simply posted them as an example of the output of the camera
> setup, I'd have probably remained silent. It was his characterization
> of the shots as "decent" that I objected to.

Understood.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:1182898994.039417.91630@u2g2000hsc.googlegrou ps.com...
> On Jun 26, 6:23 am, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gamil.com> wrote:
>> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1182820059.837609.63660@q75g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 25, 5:50 pm, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Jun 25, 7:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
>>
>> > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>> > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>>
>> > > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>> > > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
>> > > > >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4
>> > > > >> years.
>>
>> > > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth.
>> > > > > The
>> > > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a
>> > > > > strobe,
>> the
>> > > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically,
>> > > > > they're
>> > > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the
>> best
>> > > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier
>> > > > > Reef
>> > > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to
>> sell
>> > > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>>
>> > > > The Master at work:
>>
>> > > >
>>
>> http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > > > --
>>
>> > > > "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you
>> > > > asked
>> > > > a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
>> > > > I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>>
>> > > > Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com
>>
>> > > Not sure the point of this photo. It shows a photographer
>> > > concentrating hard on something on the black coral ledges at what
>> > > appears to be Cousins Rock in the Galapagos. I guess you want us to
>> > > think he's oblivious to the sea lion above him. Not surprising.
>> > > Unless
>> > > he has eyes in the top of his head, it would be pretty hard to see
>> > > that seal from where he is. They don't make any noise underwater, so
>> > > there's no reason for him to look up, especially if he's hunting in
>> > > the black coral for the seahorses that hang out there.
>>
>> > Ya mean like this?
>>
>> >http://users.adelphia.net/~gmossman/...g_Seahorse.htm
>>
>> > It ain't the best shot, but that camera setup really sucked. I love
>> > my D200. Shot some nice wide-angle today.
>>
>> Who is it that's always pattering on about a craftsman and blaming his
>> tools?
>
> I'm not sure. Who is it?

I don't remember. That's why I was asking.

On Jun 26, 8:15 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182899104.827261.194790@q69g2000hsb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 6:49 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jun 26, 9:16 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:1182858187.732113.258220@k79g2000hse.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > > > On Jun 25, 11:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
>
> <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > > >news:1182740082.514545.6480@u2g2000hsc.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 5:03 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
>
> <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Obviously they are not up to the standard of a
> specialised
> > > > camera
> > > > > > used
> > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > someone who knows what they are doing and won't be
> appearing
> > > > in
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > dive
> > > > > > > > > > > magazines but for what I want this seems to be good.
>
> > > > > > > > > > For our Australia trip in Dec 2002, I bought a Canon A70
> with
> > > > the
> > > > > > Canon
> > > > > > > > > > housing, along with a Sea&Sea strobe
> > > > > > > > > > Got some fairly decent results
>
> > > > > > > > > Where? If you call blurry blue photos fairly decent then I
> guess
> > > > you
> > > > > > > > > didn't waste your money, but I hope you didn't spend more
> than
> > > > $100 on
> > > > > > > > > the package.
>
> > > > > > > > <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4
> years.
>
> > > > > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth.
> The
> > > > > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a
> strobe, the
>
> > > > > > We were pretty shallow, so I didn't thunk a strobe was necessary.
>
> > > > > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically,
> they're
> > > > > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered
> the best
> > > > > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier
> Reef
> > > > > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to
> sell
> > > > > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> > > > > > I didn't do any phototshoping or cropping.
> > > > > > So you think the composition and technique would be the fault of
> the
> > > > camera?
>
> > > > > > Take a look at any of the others?
>
> > > > > > Dennis
>
> > > > > No, I don't think he's saying the composition and technique are the
> > > > > fault of the camera.
>
> > > > The thing is, then, I got something out of he photos - more than I'd
> get by
> > > > selling it on e-bay.
> > > > Regardless of whatever problems he thinks there might be, technically,
> > > > compositionally, whatever.
> > > >
>
> > > > I'll make sure to not make this mistake again. If that's what I have
> to put
> > > > up with, I can stick to the non-diving threads.
> > > >
>
> > > > Dennis
>
> > > I agree. If you're happy with the results, that is all that matters.
> > > But as any writer, photographer, sculptor, actor or other artist or
> > > artisan will tell you, once you publish your work, even on the Web,
> > > you are fair game for the opinions of others.
>
> > If he had simply posted them as an example of the output of the camera
> > setup, I'd have probably remained silent. It was his characterization
> > of the shots as "decent" that I objected to.
>
> "Fairly decent" - kind of like "not bad"
> And its your manner of objection that I didn't like.
> There are better ways of doing that.

Maybe, but I was in a hurry. I hate typing on a laptop and I am on
vacation after all. Wanna see some of my pics?

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 26, 6:49 am, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 9:16 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "George Cathcart" <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > >news:1182858187.732113.258220@k79g2000hse.googleg roups.com...
> >
> > > > On Jun 25, 11:13 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > > > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
<nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
> >
> > > > > > >news:1182740082.514545.6480@u2g2000hsc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >
> > > > > > > > On Jun 24, 5:03 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
<nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Obviously they are not up to the standard of a
specialised
> > > camera
> > > > > used
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > someone who knows what they are doing and won't be
appearing
> > > in
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > dive
> > > > > > > > > > magazines but for what I want this seems to be good.
> >
> > > > > > > > > For our Australia trip in Dec 2002, I bought a Canon A70
with
> > > the
> > > > > Canon
> > > > > > > > > housing, along with a Sea&Sea strobe
> > > > > > > > > Got some fairly decent results
> >
> > > > > > > > Where? If you call blurry blue photos fairly decent then I
guess
> > > you
> > > > > > > > didn't waste your money, but I hope you didn't spend more
than
> > > $100 on
> > > > > > > > the package.
> >
> > > > > > > <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4
years.
> >
> > > > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth.
The
> > > > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a
strobe, the
> >
> > > > > We were pretty shallow, so I didn't thunk a strobe was necessary.
> >
> > > > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically,
they're
> > > > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered
the best
> > > > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier
Reef
> > > > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to
sell
> > > > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
> >
> > > > > I didn't do any phototshoping or cropping.
> > > > > So you think the composition and technique would be the fault of
the
> > > camera?
> >
> > > > > Take a look at any of the others?
> >
> > > > > Dennis
> >
> > > > No, I don't think he's saying the composition and technique are the
> > > > fault of the camera.
> >
> > > The thing is, then, I got something out of he photos - more than I'd
get by
> > > selling it on e-bay.
> > > Regardless of whatever problems he thinks there might be, technically,
> > > compositionally, whatever.
> > >
> >
> > > I'll make sure to not make this mistake again. If that's what I have
to put
> > > up with, I can stick to the non-diving threads.
> > >
> >
> > > Dennis
> >
> > I agree. If you're happy with the results, that is all that matters.
> > But as any writer, photographer, sculptor, actor or other artist or
> > artisan will tell you, once you publish your work, even on the Web,
> > you are fair game for the opinions of others.
>
> If he had simply posted them as an example of the output of the camera
> setup, I'd have probably remained silent. It was his characterization
> of the shots as "decent" that I objected to.
>

"Fairly decent" - kind of like "not bad"
And its your manner of objection that I didn't like.
There are better ways of doing that.

Dennis

On Jun 26, 7:52 pm, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gmail.net> wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1182898994.039417.91630@u2g2000hsc.googlegrou ps.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 6:23 am, "Chris Guynn" <chris.gu...@gamil.com> wrote:
> >> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1182820059.837609.63660@q75g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
>
> >> > On Jun 25, 5:50 pm, George Cathcart <george.cathc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > On Jun 25, 7:52 pm, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
>
> >> > > <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> >> > > > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> >> > > >news:1182813234.541932.281220@u2g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> >> > > > > On Jun 24, 9:09 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> >> > > > >> <shrug> First critical comment I've gotten on them in.....4
> >> > > > >> years.
>
> >> > > > > Some people can be polite and lie. I like to tell the truth.
> >> > > > > The
> >> > > > > sharks were blurry, there's no indication you were using a
> >> > > > > strobe,
> >> the
> >> > > > > seafan was dead centered and likewise blurry. Technically,
> >> > > > > they're
> >> > > > > awful. Compositionally, they're awful. If that's considered the
> >> best
> >> > > > > handful of the hundreds of shots you took at the Great Barrier
> >> > > > > Reef
> >> > > > > after photoshop-enhancement and cropping, then you might want to
> >> sell
> >> > > > > the camera setup on eBay and get something out of it.
>
> >> > > > The Master at work:
>
> >> > > >
>
> >>http://www.finalprotectivefire.com/f...pagosOblivious...
>
> >> > > > --
>
> >> > > > "I wasn't going to get into any of this until later, but you
> >> > > > asked
> >> > > > a reasonable question. The problem for me in answering is that
> >> > > > I'm theorizing with more intuited logic than facts." -JOF
>
> >> > > > Popeye/www.finalprotectivefire.com
>
> >> > > Not sure the point of this photo. It shows a photographer
> >> > > concentrating hard on something on the black coral ledges at what
> >> > > appears to be Cousins Rock in the Galapagos. I guess you want us to
> >> > > think he's oblivious to the sea lion above him. Not surprising.
> >> > > Unless
> >> > > he has eyes in the top of his head, it would be pretty hard to see
> >> > > that seal from where he is. They don't make any noise underwater, so
> >> > > there's no reason for him to look up, especially if he's hunting in
> >> > > the black coral for the seahorses that hang out there.
>
> >> > Ya mean like this?
>
> >> >http://users.adelphia.net/~gmossman/...g_Seahorse.htm
>
> >> > It ain't the best shot, but that camera setup really sucked. I love
> >> > my D200. Shot some nice wide-angle today.
>
> >> Who is it that's always pattering on about a craftsman and blaming his
> >> tools?
>
> > I'm not sure. Who is it?
>
> I don't remember. That's why I was asking.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Like I said, my new tool is quite nice. I shot 139 wide-angle shots
on two dives yesterday and 138 of them are completely sharp and
focused. Take out another 5 or 6 that weren't the best exposures (one
strobe died halfway through the second dive), and another 10 or 20
that weren't the best composition, and I'm left with about 100 or so
that are quite nice, maybe only 30 of those being very good to
excellent.

My macro hasn't been doing as well, mainly because my housing is
locking up every few shots and it's tough to review for edification.
Plus I hate shooting the 60mm and really want my 105mm, but the port
won't be ready for another month. I have quite a few keepers, but
they'll benefit from a bit of photoshopping to properly crop and
adjust the exposures before they're ready for primetime.

The reason why I blame my last tool is that the autofocus sucked, it
didn't allow manual focus, the TTL was all fucked up, the lens too
long for wide-angle, and the shutter lag hopeless. It made some nice
macro pics on cooperative subjects, but that's about it.

I have absolutely no doubt that I could take Dennis's point and shoot
on the Great Barrier Reef and come up with a few nicer shots than what
he posted, but everyone needs to start somewhere. The difference is
that I wouldn't post a link to my starter shots and declare them
"decent".

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:1182913725.919536.92120@q75g2000hsh.googlegro ups.com...
> On Jun 26, 8:15 pm, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> wrote:
<snip>
> >
> > "Fairly decent" - kind of like "not bad"
> > And its your manner of objection that I didn't like.
> > There are better ways of doing that.
>
> Maybe, but I was in a hurry. I hate typing on a laptop and I am on
> vacation after all. Wanna see some of my pics?
>

Hope you're enjoying yourself. And yes, be happy to.

Dennis