Unofficial poll of gas prices

"Froggy" <hub666@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Lee Bell a écrit :

> "Scott" wrote
>
> > The price of oil has less than nothing to with Iraq and the war there,
> > but
> > due to corporate greed, as supported by shitbags like Mossman.
>
> I don't think we can blame this one on Greg. Bush is the one who is
> buddies
> with the oil and gas industry. Governors around the country are
> complaining
> and looking for an investigation into why the price of gas went up more
> than
> the cost, why margins increased at a time when the nation is in crisis.

Is it really that surprising considering that a significant number of
refineries have been damaged, while the supply/demand situation was
already tight in normal times?

> We're already seeing price increases due to the effects of a hurricane
> that
> has not yet reached land.

But forced the precautionary closure of yet more refineries...

So what you are experiencing is just the normal effect of the law of
supply and demand, further enhanced by speculation (which is part and
parcel of a market economy).

> It's not so fine to put
> blinders on, ignoring the wrong that is being done across the country and
> the leaders who are not only not doing anything about it, but who are
> profiting from it themselves.

Now if you have a problem with free markets, Grumman recently offered a
refresher course based on trucks and chains and asphalt...


Sweet Jesus, everybody mark the calender.


Cheers,

Froggy

"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I dunno about an investigation, but I'm still waiting for someone to
> identify a crime.
>
> Capitalism is no crime.
>
> Supply and demand is no crime.
>
> Charging what someone is willing to pay is no crime.
>
> Just what is Bush supposed to do, and on what legal grounds?
>
> Americans have always enjoyed cheap energy, which is why we consume so
> much of it.
>
> When we're -on the way- to paying what the rest of the world does, we get
> cranky.
>
> And I just don't see Bush's complicity here.
>
> We spent a year or two listening about "Bush's The War For Oil", but it
> turned out to be "The War To Protect U.N. Food For Oil Graft".

Sure quiet about that one, arent they?

> I don't see what the connection is here, or what we should actually expect
> be done about it.
>
> Use less oil, the price will go down.

On the head.

Douglas W. Popeye Frederick a écrit :

> Sweet Jesus

Just call me Mitch...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Froggy

"Joe English" <joeenglish@wisperhome.com> wrote in message
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>>>The others sold shit they dont have to greedy, lazy bastards who bought
>>>the
>>>sales pitch and get what they deserve.
>>
>> I see you've been hitting the bottle again. Good for you. Can't even
>> tell you from Joe English when you're sufficiently schnockered.
>
> Show a total lack of what is real- certainly expected

As I was saying . . .

> The coalition is trying to rectify that, bu the people you support are
> doing everything thay can to stop the flow of oil for the Iraqi citizens

How is Hillary doing this?

"Greg Mossman" wrote in message news:11j6tsmg8o7f265@corp.supernews.com...
> Damn right. I can't afford to donate to Hillary if I don't make enough
off
> the Iraq war.

As long as you have enough to buy me the two beers when Hillary doesn't win
the next election...

"Grumman-581" <grumman(five)(eight)(one)@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Greg Mossman" wrote in message news:11j6tsmg8o7f265@corp.supernews.com...
>> Damn right. I can't afford to donate to Hillary if I don't make enough
> off
>> the Iraq war.
>
> As long as you have enough to buy me the two beers when Hillary doesn't
> win
> the next election...

For a soon-to-be homeless guy like you, I'll buy three.

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> > And I just don't see Bush's complicity here.
>
> Perhaps because you choose not to look.

Not trying to pick nits here, but if you can show us, I am sure we would
both be glad to take a look, and if true, take action. I love writhing to
senators and congresspersons.

Other than the typical left blame Bush for everything mantra, I cant find a
shred of evidence that Bush is complicit in any way.

Popeye wrote:

>> Use less oil, the price will go down.

Right, and just how do you suggest I do that? I've got an idea. Let's
limit the number of gallons available to each driver. You get 100 gallons,
I get 100 gallons, we both pay the same. I'll still be working. You'll be
sitting.

Scott wrote:

> On the head.

You might be right. Let's see. There have been times when people chose to
use less fuel. When is the last time you recall the price declining over,
say, a six month period.

How many millions of gallons are held as strategic reserves? What strategy
are we holding them for? Isn't a crisis like what we're experiencing right
now, exactly what we reserved that fuel for?

How many millions of gallons of oil could have been pumped, but weren't
because the oil companies wished to control production and price?

How many refineries are operating with decades old technology and/or poorly
maintained equipment because those that run the companies put their personal
profit above the needs of the public they serve?

I guarantee you that, were the oil companies to find themselves in financial
trouble, Bush and the entire US population would be right there to bail them
out. Why is it that they aren't expected to do the same when it's the US
population that's in trouble?

Lee

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Popeye wrote:
>
>>> Use less oil, the price will go down.
>
> Right, and just how do you suggest I do that? I've got an idea. Let's
> limit the number of gallons available to each driver. You get 100
> gallons, I get 100 gallons, we both pay the same. I'll still be working.
> You'll be sitting.

Then we'll both just have to pay...


>
> Scott wrote:
>
>> On the head.
>
> You might be right. Let's see. There have been times when people chose
> to use less fuel. When is the last time you recall the price declining
> over, say, a six month period.
>
> How many millions of gallons are held as strategic reserves? What
> strategy are we holding them for? Isn't a crisis like what we're
> experiencing right now, exactly what we reserved that fuel for?
>
> How many millions of gallons of oil could have been pumped, but weren't
> because the oil companies wished to control production and price?
>
> How many refineries are operating with decades old technology and/or
> poorly maintained equipment because those that run the companies put their
> personal profit above the needs of the public they serve?
>
> I guarantee you that, were the oil companies to find themselves in
> financial trouble, Bush and the entire US population would be right there
> to bail them out. Why is it that they aren't expected to do the same when
> it's the US population that's in trouble?
>
> Lee
>
>

"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:lWRYe.3391$q1.2512@newsread3.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
>
>> I don't think we can blame this one on Greg.
>
> Sure I can. It makes just as much sense as him blaming everything, just
> everything, on Bush.
>
>> Bush is the one who is buddies
>> with the oil and gas industry. Governors around the country are
> complaining
>> and looking for an investigation into why the price of gas went up more
> than
>> the cost, why margins increased at a time when the nation is in crisis.
>> We're already seeing price increases due to the effects of a hurricane
> that
>> has not yet reached land.
>
> So, instead of innuendo, what exactly do you propose any of these people
> you
> paint as criminals be charged with?

I didn't say criminal, but since you asked, how about price fixing? How
about price gouging? How about fraud for claiming that price increases were
due to a decrease in the supply when there was, in fact, no decrease in
supply at all? How about investigating the situation, which, by the way, is
the job of the government Bush leads.

How does it happen that governors all over the country asked for an
investigation, but the governor of Florida didn't? Oh yes, he's a Bush too.

>> Bush's response, so far has been . . . well, hell, he hasn't resonded at
> all.
>
> What do you want him to do?

Investigate?
Support the laws of the United States of America, like he swore he would?
Treat his buddies the same as he treats everybody else?
Refrain from abusing his position for his own benefit?

>> And is clearly correct.
>
> In his context, he bet on the fact that oil profits would go up as a
> result
> of the Iraq war, you know, the War for oil chant?

In this context, he mentioned Bush and the increase in the profits of the
oil companies. He's right. The oil companies are making record profits
while claiming that they have no supply, that their costs have increased so
much that they have to pass the cost on to the consumer . . . before they
paid a dime of the cost increases.

Think about how many millions of gallons of gas were already in station
tanks all over the country, gas that was purchased for a much lower price
than might be the case in the future, gas that was profitable when sold at
the old prices and incredibly profitable when sold at current prices. Think
of the billions of windfall profits made by the gas and oil companies at the
expense of the people whose homes, jobs and everything else were under
water.

> Every person who has stock in gasoline is profitting.

Yes, they are. They're profiting at the expense of everybody else.

> We are still paying less than half what the rest of the known universe
> does.

No we're not. First, not everybody pays twice as much. The Bahamas, for
example, charge about a dollar a gallon more than we do, and all of their
gas has to be shipped in from someplace else. Secondly, gas prices in other
countries are so high not because of cost, but because of taxes. Finally,
you're the one that's always talking about how much we spend to protect the
rights and lives of the world. If you're going to compare costs, please be
sure to include all the costs.

Lee