Beginner - OK to dive at Disney world divequest?

Hey all,
Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it...
I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World,
and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at
Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my
class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty
a dive for a first time diver?

I don't check NGs often, so response to email bighabeeb@aol.com is
greatly appreciated!

Thanks all for the expertise....as a n00b I really appreciated it!
Mitch

Big Habeeb wrote:
> Hey all,
> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it...
> I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World,
> and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at
> Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my
> class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty
> a dive for a first time diver?
>
> I don't check NGs often, so response to email bighabeeb@aol.com is
> greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks all for the expertise....as a n00b I really appreciated it!
> Mitch
>
err?

"Big Habeeb" <mitch.brenner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184880942.829124.46530@n2g2000hse.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hey all,
> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it...
> I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World,
> and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at
> Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my
> class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty
> a dive for a first time diver?

yes you will die a horrible and painful death

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:55:19 +1000, "dechucka"
<dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Big Habeeb" <mitch.brenner@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1184880942.829124.46530@n2g2000hse.googlegro ups.com...
>> Hey all,
>> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it...
>> I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World,
>> and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at
>> Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my
>> class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty
>> a dive for a first time diver?
>
>yes you will die a horrible and painful death
>
>
Mickey will take your octo and suck the tank dry and leave you at 15
feet OOA

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 10:55:19 +1000, "dechucka"
<dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote:

> yes you will die a horrible and painful death

I figured that just having to go and do the Disney World thing was a
horrible and painful death... Best to just drop the wife and kids off
at Disney and then go up to Blue Springs or somewhere and dive by
yourself...

Big Habeeb wrote

> Hey all,
> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it...
> I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World,
> and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at
> Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my
> class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty
> a dive for a first time diver?
>
> I don't check NGs often, so response to email bighabeeb@aol.com is
> greatly appreciated!

I not aware of any certification agency that will issue a card to someone
that's never been deeper than 10 feet. I suggest you confirm that depth and,
if it's true, let us know which agency issued your card. They'll instantly
become our new favorite whipping boy.

Lee

"Big Habeeb" <mitch.brenner@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1184880942.829124.46530@n2g2000hse.googlegrou ps.com...
> Hey all,
> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it...
> I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World,
> and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at
> Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my
> class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty
> a dive for a first time diver?
>
> I don't check NGs often, so response to email bighabeeb@aol.com is
> greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks all for the expertise....as a n00b I really appreciated it!
> Mitch

Most certifications have part of their certification in a pool and then
complete the certification in open water, which can be anything from the
ocean to a really big bathtub. "Usually" in your final certification dives
you'll go down to at least 30 feet. If you've never gone deeper than 10
feet you are not certified -- as I'm sure most people in this group would
agree.

Now, I don't know a damn thing about this dive at Epcot, and I'm just a
novice still waiting for my OW certification dives, but I do know there are
a lot of intro dives you can go on that require no certification at all.
This may be one of them.

As far as 27 feet goes, I have not been that deep -- yet -- but I've been
told it's actually easier to get around at that depth than 10 feet. Also,
you're not so deep that if you get into trouble you can pretty much make a
beeline for the surface without any repercussions.

"Sheldon" <sheldon@XXXXXXXXsopris.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Big Habeeb" <mitch.brenner@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1184880942.829124.46530@n2g2000hse.googlegrou ps.com...
>> Hey all,
>> Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it...
>> I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World,
>> and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at
>> Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my
>> class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty
>> a dive for a first time diver?
>>
>> I don't check NGs often, so response to email bighabeeb@aol.com is
>> greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks all for the expertise....as a n00b I really appreciated it!
>> Mitch
>
> Most certifications have part of their certification in a pool and then
> complete the certification in open water, which can be anything from the
> ocean to a really big bathtub. "Usually" in your final certification dives
> you'll go down to at least 30 feet. If you've never gone deeper than 10
> feet you are not certified -- as I'm sure most people in this group would
> agree.
>
> Now, I don't know a damn thing about this dive at Epcot, and I'm just a
> novice still waiting for my OW certification dives, but I do know there
> are a lot of intro dives you can go on that require no certification at
> all. This may be one of them.
>
> As far as 27 feet goes, I have not been that deep -- yet -- but I've been
> told it's actually easier to get around at that depth than 10 feet. Also,
> you're not so deep that if you get into trouble you can pretty much make a
> beeline for the surface without any repercussions.

I thought OW divers were trained to 20m ( 60 foot ) and AOW to 30 m.
However it is a long time since I did any type of course so I am probably
wrong
>
>

Sheldon wrote

> As far as 27 feet goes, I have not been that deep -- yet -- but I've been
> told it's actually easier to get around at that depth than 10 feet. Also,
> you're not so deep that if you get into trouble you can pretty much make a
> beeline for the surface without any repercussions.

You were doing fine until you got to this point. The risk of lung expansion
injury, what you get if you hold your breath and ascend, is greatest,
closest to the surface.

Lee

"Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Big Habeeb" Mitch wrote
> >
> > Im currently finishing the certification course, and am loving it...
> > I am scheduled to take vacation at the end of August to Disney World,
> > and have been encouraged to register for the divequest dive at
> > Epcot...now my concern is this: its a 27 foot deep tank, and in my
> > class I'll not have gone deeper than 10 feet. Is this too heavy duty
> > a dive for a first time diver?
>
> I not aware of any certification agency that will issue a card to someone
> that's never been deeper than 10 feet. I suggest you confirm that depth and,
> if it's true, let us know which agency issued your card. They'll instantly
> become our new favorite whipping boy.


I suspect that since he said "finishing" his class, what he's saying
is that he has only been as deep as 10ft in his pool sessions...and he
doesn't yet realize that he will probably go to 30fsw or so in his
openwater sessions.


While his IP address is posting from India, Mitch's Google profile
claims that he's here in NJ.

As such, I guess it could be possible that his diveshop is
contemplating taking him over into the shallow (<20fsw) lee behind the
jetty at Shark River inlet to do their checkouts, I would have thought
that that location would be less commonly used these days, ever since
the double diver death they had there during a checkout dive session
several years ago.


My only real concern with what appears to be an absolute "straight out
of the gate" novice diver going for a dip in the EPCOT tank is
twofold:

1. Buoyancy Control learning curve: there's a lot of stuff to bump
into in this tank, and a lot of people watching through the glass.

2. Air consumption learning curve: there are some freeswimming
sharks, which will probably cause even higher hoovering than a first
real dive would otherwise do.

My recollections of the EPCOT dive is that they don't equip their
customers with an Octopus on their regulator setup. Instead, there's
multiple DMs who carry pony bottles. I think that the reasons for
this are a combination of them not wanting to have "danglies", plus
they had a preferred entry/exit site for the dive and didn't
necessarily want anyone to just pop up to the surface in any old place
if they were to have an OOA.


As such, my advice would be for Mitch to get at least 3 or 4 real
world openwater dives under his belt before dropping the $150
(probably more, today) for the EPCOT tank dive.



-hh