FBI Issues New Scuba Warning (June)

"Dan Bracuk" <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com> wrote in message
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> "ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
>
> :Page 20 of October issue of Scuba Diving.
> :
> :http://www.dema.org/associations/101...ing%206-07.pdf
> :
>
> From that document
> (U//FOUO) Exclusive purchases of dull or darkened gear, or visible
> signs of after market painting.
>
> So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you,
> you evil terrorists you.

do you get orange wetsuits at Guantanamo Bay?

Lee Bell wrote:
> ben bradlee wrote
>
>> http://www.dema.org/associations/101...ing%206-07.pdf
>
> I knew it all along:
> 1. WKPP and all people associated with DIR are suspected terrorists. They
> dive deep, long, do advanced training, train in towing other people and do
> not appear to be motivated by profit.

Yeah, and since I've corresponded with them twice in the past year or so
I'm probably associated with them in someone's mind.

> 2. PADI is knowingly providing training to terrorist related individuals for
> profit. Otherwise, their name would not be specifically included in the
> communication while other agencies are not.

And I hold a PADI card or possibly two. (I ain't draggin' 'em out to
check.)

> 3. Sheldon is a suspected terrorist. He sought scuba training in an area not
> normally known for scuba diving.

....and I have somewhat advanced training (up to normoxic trimix), some
recent, which they specifically asked about.

> 4. YMCA is a suspected terrorist organization. It has a religious aspect.

Uh-oh. My OW cert is from the Y. And I'm a member, too.

> 5. The Boy Scouts of American is also a suspected terrorist organization.
> They have a religious aspect too.

I'm also an assistant scoutmaster. Something is getting deeper...and
unfortunately, it's not water....

>
> What a bunch of junk. What this all means is that Homeland Security and the
> FBI are well aware of the potential for use of scuba by terrorist
> organizations, but they have not a clue as to how to detect the risk. This
> is a clear fishing expedition with almost no chance of meaningful results
> except, of course, to inconvenience the dive industry as a whole. Damn.

I joked with the owner of my LDS that he'd better report me now (grin).

>
> Lee
>
>

John Eells

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:34:11 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
<Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:


>> I hadn't realized how much you missed our squabbling. Glad I could
>> liven up yer day.
>
> I'm always squabbling with someone, don't over rate your importance.
>
> I'm just holding the light, in this case,

Isn't that Scott's line?

> to your extensively documented
>history of innuendo and insinuation.

Documented or interpreted?

You're sounding like a caricature of a grownup, one struggling with
reality issues. Just be a real person. It's kinda nice if you give it
a chance. Living your role must get tedious, even for a cynic like
you. You need to have a little more confidence in yerself as a
person, and think of yerself less as a character, or caricature. Then
you wouldn't have to be so defensive. You're not such a bad guy just
being you, ya know. You may well be dismayed to learn that the real
you isn't the prick you try so hard to portray here, at least not in
MNSHO.

JF

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:27:44 -0500, Dan Bracuk <NOTbracuk@pathcom.com>
wrote:

>"ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
>
>:Page 20 of October issue of Scuba Diving.
>:
>:http://www.dema.org/associations/101...ing%206-07.pdf
>:
>
>From that document
>(U//FOUO) Exclusive purchases of dull or darkened gear, or visible
>signs of after market painting.
>
>So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you,
>you evil terrorists you.

Whew! I'm safe, I think. My 3/2 wetsuit has almost as much yellow as
it does black. And my primary has a yellow faceplate on it. Does that
mean no terrorists will be looking to grab my secondary? My secondary
has a blue plate - what does that signify?

Oh, and my fins have a lot of yellow on them. Is that incriminating ?
- or dis-incriminating? My snorkle, if I ever carry it, has some
yellow as well, and one of my masks, the Bigeyes. I should be good to
go. Just to be safe I'll drag my orange Halcyon safety sausage
trauiling loose behind me when I'm diving in the States. As a further
measure of safety I'll write a disclaimer on my slate that I'm a
Canadian thru and thru, that I don't club baby seals, and that I've
been known to sip illegally produced clear colourless acoholic
strawberry coloured hillbilly beverages from time to time. I'll
laminate my passport to carry underwater just in case.

JF

"JOF" <jofrancis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7fqje35165otfcc30gh8jk7m2vlkga8rod@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:34:11 -0400, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
> <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> I hadn't realized how much you missed our squabbling. Glad I could
>>> liven up yer day.
>>
>> I'm always squabbling with someone, don't over rate your importance.
>>
>> I'm just holding the light, in this case,
>
> Isn't that Scott's line?

You must have, per your norm, forgotten my nice little poem.

I've also used that line a score of times, and Scott doesn't, to my
knowledge.

But we've seen -far- worse instances of your "memory serving you".

>> to your extensively documented
>>history of innuendo and insinuation.
>
> Documented or interpreted?

Do you remember what I wrote?

D o c u m e n t e d.

I'm not the one who forgets what he posts from hour to hour.

> You're sounding like a caricature of a grownup, one struggling with
> reality issues. Just be a real person. It's kinda nice if you give it
> a chance. Living your role must get tedious, even for a cynic like
> you.

Maybe it would, if it was a "roll".

I don't bill myself as anything other than what I am, which others here
have repeatedly attested to.

There's at least one poster here who's known me in excess of thirty years.

There's also only -one- person here who -repeatedly- insists I'm something
that I'm not, but his credibility is lower than whale shit.

And I'm happier with myself than most people are, which tends to piss your
type off.

> You need to have a little more confidence in yerself as a
> person, and think of yerself less as a character, or caricature. Then
> you wouldn't have to be so defensive. You're not such a bad guy just
> being you, ya know. You may well be dismayed to learn that the real
> you isn't the prick you try so hard to portray here, at least not in
> MNSHO.

That part would almost be funny if you hadn't just admitted to lurking
other newsgroups (again) (-also- a d o c u m e n t e d -fact-) to see what
I write.

JRE wrote

> I joked with the owner of my LDS that he'd better report me now (grin).

You're joking now. You won't be joking when the men in the blue suits knock
on your door.

By the way, I left out diver propulsion vehicles and practicing towing
people.

I've had a lot of confrontations with DIR people in the past, mostly the
distance past. I can't every recall thinking of any of them as being
terrorists, but now I'm beginning to wonder. Was all the controversy
actually a cover up? Instead of being extreme divers, were they really
extremist Muslims? Enquiring minds want to know. NOT.

Terrorism has gone a long way towards its goal of gaining recognition and of
impacting the lives of people around the world. It's a bad situation that's
not going to get better any time soon. It's relatively easy to fight against
a country. It's very hard to fight against those who, regardless of country,
affiliate with a twisted ideal.

Lee

On Sep 13, 3:27 pm, Dan Bracuk <NOTbra...@pathcom.com> wrote:
> "ben bradlee" <No...@Way.Bite.Me> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
>
> :Page 20 of October issue of Scuba Diving.
> :
> :http://www.dema.org/associations/101...ing%206-07.pdf
> :
>
> From that document
> (U//FOUO) Exclusive purchases of dull or darkened gear, or visible
> signs of after market painting.
>
> So all you guys with black wetsuits, off to Guantanamo Bay with you,
> you evil terrorists you.

My local dive shop actually sells customized BCs and drysuits with
camoflauge patterns and pushes rebreathers on new divers. I think
I'll report them to DHS right away, or maybe I could blackmail them
into giving me a discount instead. I wonder if camo would allow me to
sneak up on sharks.

On Sep 14, 5:03 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I've had a lot of confrontations with DIR people in the past, mostly the
> distance past. I can't every recall thinking of any of them as being
> terrorists, but now I'm beginning to wonder. Was all the controversy
> actually a cover up? Instead of being extreme divers, were they really
> extremist Muslims? Enquiring minds want to know. NOT.

My inquiring mind wants to know. I always thought there was something
fishy about DIR but could never put my finger on it. Now I know.
It's obviously training sponsored by a cult, of that there's no
doubt. But terrorists?

Team training instead of the traditional buddy system seems to be a
big concern of the feds and that's what DIR propounds. "Instructors"
like MHK drive around the country in their Jaguars conducting said
"training" yet never seem to work other than annual trips to offshore
accounts in the Caymans. Also, it's a bit weird that he's referred to
by his code name MHK instead of a real name.

In fact, MHK has actually commented on this stuff before, raising
another red flag:

<CGRJ9.2750$vX2.86018171@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m>

I'm therefore convinced that he's working for Osama and I'm reporting
him to the Feds immediately: Hey, Lee, read my report! There, I've
done my civic duty and can go back to my otherwise humdrum life
knowing our government will take care of us like they always do.

On Sep 14, 12:14 pm, Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 5:03 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > I've had a lot of confrontations with DIR people in the past, mostly the
> > distance past. I can't every recall thinking of any of them as being
> > terrorists, but now I'm beginning to wonder. Was all the controversy
> > actually a cover up? Instead of being extreme divers, were they really
> > extremist Muslims? Enquiring minds want to know. NOT.
>
> My inquiring mind wants to know. I always thought there was something
> fishy about DIR but could never put my finger on it. Now I know.
> It's obviously training sponsored by a cult, of that there's no
> doubt. But terrorists?
>
> Team training instead of the traditional buddy system seems to be a
> big concern of the feds and that's what DIR propounds. "Instructors"
> like MHK drive around the country in their Jaguars conducting said
> "training" yet never seem to work other than annual trips to offshore
> accounts in the Caymans. Also, it's a bit weird that he's referred to
> by his code name MHK instead of a real name.
>
> In fact, MHK has actually commented on this stuff before, raising
> another red flag:
>
> <CGRJ9.2750$vX2.86018...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m>
>
> I'm therefore convinced that he's working for Osama and I'm reporting
> him to the Feds immediately: Hey, Lee, read my report! There, I've
> done my civic duty and can go back to my otherwise humdrum life
> knowing our government will take care of us like they always do.

MHK? You mean Muhammad Hussein Khalid?

gc

In rec.scuba, on Fri 14 Sep 2007 10:47:33a, Greg Mossman
<mossman@qnet.com> wrote:

> I wonder if camo would allow me to
> sneak up on sharks.

Only if it disguised you as a seal. There might be an issue with you not
wanting to be that close to them though.