Why we live in FL (on topic... what a change)

On Dec 27, 7:31*pm, Ed <e...@nospam.com> wrote:
> SSI allows nitrox to those that can handle the math at 13. *Padi JR open
> water is 40', Padi Advanced, 130 and SSI advanced I think is also 130.
> He holds a Padi OW, Padi AOW, and SSI Nitrox. * * He has been diving
> since about 8 on shallow reefs, OW at 10, AOW and Nitrox at 12. *Hits
> 40' on a snorkel.... can nail lobsters at about 30". * *At 13 I was
> reading the bluebook catalogs on VOIT scuba gear wishing I was living
> near water but didn't get the chance until college. * *He dives more
> comfortably and responsibly than *most of my more experienced dive
> buddies and has more dives in his log than most non-FL adults since he
> dives 12 mos of the year.

<snipping crap>

Nice. I'm glad that you're so proud your kid can hit 40ft on snorkel
and nail lobsters at 30ft. But like Mr Gray in King's novel
"Dreamcatcher", I don't understand the significance of it.

>
> Nice. I'm glad that you're so proud your kid can hit 40ft on snorkel
> and nail lobsters at 30ft. But like Mr Gray in King's novel
> "Dreamcatcher", I don't understand the significance of it.


Hmmmm.... Eating Fresh fish and Lobster? Pretty significant source of
protein... damn tasty as well. Also when island hopping we don't
scuba... we free dive... Bahama laws prevent spearing or taking of any
fish with scuba.

On Dec 28, 5:05 am, Ed <e...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Star wrote:
> > On Dec 27, 8:20 pm, Ed <e...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >>I don't mind MOST kids in a class but we have found that only about 1/2
> >>of the 10 year olds can handle it and then we go by the Padi guidelines
> >>of not putting them in a large class (4 students max). I have done two
> >>AOW classes with 12 year olds and they were great... much better than
> >>many OW students who went staight thru.
>
> >>To dive year round up north you either have to have a private jet (or
> >>tons of FF miles) or the desire to use a dry suit....But yes... I stand
> >>corrected... you CAN dive year round living up north!!!! I just don't
> >>consider an AX to cut ice part of my normal dive gear but then after 26
> >>years living in the south my blood is no longer as thick as when I
> >>lived in Chicago!!!.
>
> >>Stay Warm!!!!
>
> > I am not concerned with the kids in class; it is afterward when they
> > go hop on a boat as a certified diver that I won't promote. I
> > obviously like kids or I'd find a different job....... there's a big
> > difference in a PADI guideline (well apparently there is anyway,
> > having no PADI cards in my possession, I can't say for certain) and
> > common sense. I adopted the Kelly Hill position a long time ago.
>
> > I don't mind diving dry at all. The temps here in the Puget Sound are
> > considerably more friendly all winter than they were in the
> > midwest.... and no, I don't mind ice diving but prefer a chain saw to
> > an axe. I get to dive warm water a few times a month at the
> > aquarium.
>
> > Do you always top post? Hasn't anyone here gotten on your case about
> > that yet?
>
> > *
> > She's very much more than a dive babe, but they don't have a name for
> > it
> > on this planet yet. "
> > ~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederick
>
> Is this better? I find it easier to read long strings with the newest
> on top... Must come from 20 years reading emails that way...
>
> If they obeyed the rules and ALWAYS dive with an adult the kids should
> be fine. BTW... the original navy tables were designed with youth (and
> stretchy lungs) in mind!!!! (not us old guys who learned to dive before
> BCs...
>
> My hat is off to you for loving the sport so much you dive year round in
> the cold!!! After growing up in the N I prefer Skis for cold and regs
> for warm!!!

much better. After 20+ years of reading emails, i still read from the
top down, and bitch when the poster doesn't snip unnecessary crap

IF they obey the rules - yes. IF the adult is a competent buddy,
competent enough to essentially die solo and babysit at the same
time. I'm YMCA-conservative and NAUI would-I-let-this-person-dive-
with-a-loved-one as final decision on issuing a card. I still don't
like to dive a BC. And I skied more when we lived in the midwest -
out here, the water is too conveniently close and the GPO's are not to
be believed.......

*
"She's very much more than a dive babe, but they don't have a name for
it
on this planet yet. "
~ Douglas W. Popeye Frederic

On Dec 28, 2:47 pm, Dan Bracuk <NOTbra...@pathcom.com> wrote:
> Not always.
>
> Star <lcl...@gmail.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting in:
>
> :Do you always top post? Hasn't anyone here gotten on your case about
> :that yet?
>
> Dan Bracuk
> Never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.

smartass :-P

*

On Dec 28, 7:08 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Star wrote
>
> > YMCA, 1975.
>
> YMCA 1962. The didn't issue cards back then. They did use Navy tables,
> including deco. We paid no attention to the deco stuff since we all knew
> that "you can't go deep enough, long enough, on a single tank, to need
> deco." None of us could afford more than one tank.
>
> NAUI 1969. They did issue cards. I still have mine. It says I'm certified
> for "SCUBA." That included deco, using Navy tables. I paid more attention,
> but still didn't have more than one tank.

According to the Y, they did issue cards before other agencies except
Orange County, but hey I wasn't around then to know exactly... well,
at least not diving then

*

On Dec 28, 7:50 am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> Star <lcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ed <e...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative
> > > at all. I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as
> > > my first class. 5 years later I sat through my wife's PADI class and
> > > was amazed how basic it was...
>
> > YMCA, 1975. We must have used Navy tables then; by the time I started
> > teaching in 1999 each agency had its own tables. YMCA are most
> > conservative; they have changed considerably.
>
> Through at least part of the '80s, the "Agency" Tables were merely the
> USN Tables that were reformatted & reprinted to put the Agency's name
> on them.
>
> Here's an example:
>
> http://www.huntzinger.com/dive/old_PADI_dive_table.jpg
>
> By the '90s, the Agencies were using modified USN-tables, although
> some of these modifications were as simple as merely backing off one
> stop. Thus, the classical "60 for 60" No-Stop became "55 minutes for
> 60fsw", and 60 for 60 had a required Deco stop.
>
> Later (can't recall when), some Agencies backed off a second stop ...
> 50 for 60 was the longest No-Stop.
>
> IIRC, rroughly in this same time period, the PADI RDP came out which
> IIRC worked from a maximum of a 60 minute compartment instead of the
> 120 minute max compartment that the old USN table was based on, and
> also eliminated any Deco stop information or allowances. IIRC, it
> also introduced the "WXYZ" rules and in very fine print, stated that
> you would die if you ever went to 131fsw
>
> I'm sure that Sir Mike can fill us all in with greater details as to
> these evolutions.
>
> -hh

Die, as like in if you used "voodo death gas?

Tables work until they don't. It's all a WAG after a point anyway.

*

On Dec 28, 8:12 am, Al Wells <al.we...@gmail.com> wrote:

> At a presentation given in SC by Peter Bennett, Bill Hamilton and Dick
> Clark, I think it was Peter Bennett who said that the PADI RDP was a
> response to complaints from resort operators about long SI times.

I had heard that too but cannot recall where. Makes one feel better
about those tables, doesn't it?



*

On Dec 29, 1:03*am, Star <lcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 28, 7:50 am, -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Star <lcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ed <e...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > > > BTW.. My first card was YMCA and back in 81 they were NOT conservative
> > > > at all. * I learned the navy deco tables and was taught deco diving as
> > > > my first class. * 5 years later I sat through my wife's PADI classand
> > > > was amazed how basic it was...
>
> > > YMCA, 1975. We must have used Navy tables then; by the time I started
> > > teaching in 1999 each agency had its own tables. *YMCA are most
> > > conservative; they have changed considerably.
>
> > Through at least part of the '80s, the "Agency" Tables were merely the
> > USN Tables that were reformatted & reprinted to put the Agency's name
> > on them.
>
> > Here's an example:
>
> >http://www.huntzinger.com/dive/old_PADI_dive_table.jpg
>
> > By the '90s, the Agencies were using modified USN-tables, although
> > some of these modifications were as simple as merely backing off one
> > stop. *Thus, the classical "60 for 60" No-Stop became "55 minutes for
> > 60fsw", and 60 for 60 had a required Deco stop.
>
> > Later (can't recall when), some Agencies backed off a second stop ...
> > 50 for 60 was the longest No-Stop.
>
> > IIRC, rroughly in this same time period, the PADI RDP came out which
> > IIRC worked from a maximum of a 60 minute compartment instead of the
> > 120 minute max compartment that the old USN table was based on, and
> > also eliminated any Deco stop information or allowances. *IIRC, it
> > also introduced the "WXYZ" rules and in very fine print, stated that
> > you would die if you ever went to 131fsw
>
> > I'm sure that Sir Mike can fill us all in with greater details as to
> > these evolutions.
>
> > -hh
>
> Die, as like in if you used "voodo death gas?
>
> Tables work until they don't. *It's all a WAG after a point anyway.
>
> *- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Speaking of voodoo death gas is your kid home from Iraq yet ?

> Nice. I'm glad that you're so proud your kid can hit 40ft on snorkel
> and nail lobsters at 30ft. But like Mr Gray in King's novel
> "Dreamcatcher", I don't understand the significance of it.

We know, but there's only so much we can do to help the mentally challenged.

Star wrote
> According to the Y, they did issue cards before other agencies except
> Orange County, but hey I wasn't around then to know exactly... well,
> at least not diving then

They probably did issue cards earlier than others, but nobody really
noticed. I dove from 1962 to 1969 without a card and without any reason to
worry about it. Sometime in the late 1960s, the south Florida dive shops
starting asking for cards and a few grumbled about filling tanks without
one. I was working as lifeguard in a Dade County pool that offered NAUI
certifications. The time, and cost, were right, so I took the course and got
the card. I'd have to check the actual dates, but my recollection is that
PADI was just getting started around that time.

The first PADI certified diver I ever met, was not able to assemble his gear
without help. I was not impressed. My opinion of the organization's
willingness to issue cards to poorly trained individuals with credit cards
has not improved much since then. No offense intended to all the very good
PADI instructors I know. My problem is with the organization, not its
members.

Lee