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I'm sorry to report that on my most recent trip, I had another mild episode
of skin bends.

This episode was significantly less troublesome/painful than last year, and
had I not had that significant skinbend event last year, I probably wouldn't
even have noticed this time.

I really hate to start getting paranoid but . .um . . these little things
are starting make me remember stuff over the years. For example, while on a
gorilla dive trip in Roatan, I came out of the water one beautiful day and
was so tired, I could hardly take care of my gear. At the time, I just
thought I should "man-up" and so I said nothing to anyone and went home for
a laydown, figuring I was just getting long in the tooth.

Over the years, I've had the odd event of numbness around my mouth and
tingling in my pinkie and ring fingers. Hey, I'm not talking every dive or
even every tenth dive. These are all very little things that I just thought
little about at the time but now, and like I said, I'm trying not to get
paranoid, but . . ..

On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:27:17 +0000, chilly wrote:

> I'm sorry to report that on my most recent trip, I had another mild
> episode of skin bends.
>
> This episode was significantly less troublesome/painful than last year,
> and had I not had that significant skinbend event last year, I probably
> wouldn't even have noticed this time.
>
> I really hate to start getting paranoid but . .um . . these little things
> are starting make me remember stuff over the years. For example, while on
> a gorilla dive trip in Roatan, I came out of the water one beautiful day
> and was so tired, I could hardly take care of my gear. At the time, I
> just thought I should "man-up" and so I said nothing to anyone and went
> home for a laydown, figuring I was just getting long in the tooth.
>
> Over the years, I've had the odd event of numbness around my mouth and
> tingling in my pinkie and ring fingers. Hey, I'm not talking every dive
> or even every tenth dive. These are all very little things that I just
> thought little about at the time but now, and like I said, I'm trying not
> to get paranoid, but . . ..

Sound like you need to rethink your banana wearing practices...

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"Grumman-581" <grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:27:17 +0000, chilly wrote:
>
>
> Sound like you need to rethink your banana wearing practices...

Yeah, maybe I should stuff it in the hole in my heart?

On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:27:17 GMT, "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote:

>I'm sorry to report that on my most recent trip, I had another mild episode
>of skin bends.
>
>This episode was significantly less troublesome/painful than last year, and
>had I not had that significant skinbend event last year, I probably wouldn't
>even have noticed this time.

Do you recall any similarities or differences in your diving patterns that may
have brought on the symptoms as wiith previous episodes? That is, this time,
did you dive more/less often or in same/different conditions such that the
symptoms occured than when diving where the symtpoms did not occur?
Do any particular dives "stand out" this time that haven't when you don't
get the condition?

Sorry, my computer brain at work....

____________________________________________
Regards,

Arnold

chilly wrote:
> "Grumman-581" <grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net> wrote in message
> newsan.2008.03.08.08.12.48.515000@grumman581-usenet-2008-spambob-net...
>> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:27:17 +0000, chilly wrote:
>>
>>
>> Sound like you need to rethink your banana wearing practices...
>
> Yeah, maybe I should stuff it in the hole in my heart?
>
>
>

If you have a PFO and all you've had are skin bends, you've been lucky;
I have seen Type II DCS hits result from a PFO. (Type II is CNS
involvement.)

I'm not a doctor, but in my opinion if you have a PFO you should
consider (a) surgery--they make an "umbrella patch" they can insert via
a catheter--or (b) other sports.

--
John Eells

chilly wrote:

> Over the years, I've had the odd event of numbness around my mouth and
> tingling in my pinkie and ring fingers. Hey, I'm not talking every dive or
> even every tenth dive. These are all very little things that I just thought
> little about at the time but now, and like I said, I'm trying not to get
> paranoid, but . . ..

Sounds more like an affection of nerves/vertebrae, or bad sleeping habits.
Like squeezing vessels by an unfortunate combination of sleep position
and mattress.

Or a problem with Vitamin B metabolisation.
I don't know wether a mild diabetes could create such nerve problems.
Vitamin B/Magnesium related problems may be exacerbated by substance abuse.

An important tool to differentiate is, go diving and evaluate if the
problem go away under pressure.

Similar with tiredness. In diving,it is mostly a micro bubble related
symptom, and should go away with normobaric 100% Oxygen breathing.

Another consideration should be to invetigate evaentually changed
drinking habits, or other leisure activities.

My last years decompression problem (considered toatally "undeserved",
even by some experts) could be partially tracked down to a combination
of lacking hydration ( caused by drinking habits, formerly wine,
changing to cidre... your intestines will know the difference...), and
some strenous walking( 18+11+10 km) through the mountaineous heather at
a pace of more than 4 miles/hour.
Others were current, use of reel while fighting current.

Matthias

"mag3" <zmpmag3-plongee@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:27:17 GMT, "chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote:
>
> >I'm sorry to report that on my most recent trip, I had another mild
episode
> >of skin bends.
> >
> >This episode was significantly less troublesome/painful than last year,
and
> >had I not had that significant skinbend event last year, I probably
wouldn't
> >even have noticed this time.
>
> Do you recall any similarities or differences in your diving patterns that
may
> have brought on the symptoms as wiith previous episodes? That is, this
time,
> did you dive more/less often or in same/different conditions such that the
> symptoms occured than when diving where the symtpoms did not occur?
> Do any particular dives "stand out" this time that haven't when you don't
> get the condition?
>
> Sorry, my computer brain at work....
>

Nope, I've thought that over carefully, and even last time, I couldn't think
of anything unusual. The last time, I had had one dive, that I felt I may
have ascended too rapidly on the last 15 feet. Other than that, nothing
seemed out of the ordinary on any of the dives. That said, I've only just
started to be extra observant.

> ____________________________________________
> Regards,
>
> Arnold

chilly wrote:
> I'm sorry to report that on my most recent trip, I had another mild episode
> of skin bends.
>
> This episode was significantly less troublesome/painful than last year, and
> had I not had that significant skinbend event last year, I probably wouldn't
> even have noticed this time.
>
> I really hate to start getting paranoid but . .um . . these little things
> are starting make me remember stuff over the years. For example, while on a
> gorilla dive trip in Roatan, I came out of the water one beautiful day and
> was so tired, I could hardly take care of my gear. At the time, I just
> thought I should "man-up" and so I said nothing to anyone and went home for
> a laydown, figuring I was just getting long in the tooth.
>
> Over the years, I've had the odd event of numbness around my mouth and
> tingling in my pinkie and ring fingers. Hey, I'm not talking every dive or
> even every tenth dive. These are all very little things that I just thought
> little about at the time but now, and like I said, I'm trying not to get
> paranoid, but . . ..
>
>
>
>

I had a tingling in my pinkie on my last dive. More specifically, the
outside edge on the tip of my finger.

Due to about 45 minutes in 30 degree(F) water. I didn't move my hands
enough to keep them warm.

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"No Spam" <nospam@all.please.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:55:35 +0000, chilly wrote:
>
> > "Grumman-581" <grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net> wrote in message
> > newsan.2008.03.08.08.12.48.515000@grumman581-usenet-2008-spambob-
> net...
> >> On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:27:17 +0000, chilly wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Sound like you need to rethink your banana wearing practices...
> >
> > Yeah, maybe I should stuff it in the hole in my heart?
>
> Do you have a hole in your heart?

Maybe, dunno for sure. It's more likely that I have a hole where my heart
should be.

chilly wrote

>> Do you have a hole in your heart?
>
> Maybe, dunno for sure. It's more likely that I have a hole where my heart
> should be.

Not normally considered a DCS risk.