OT -- Is it worth it?

On 19 Mar, 10:23, Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net>
wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:25:29 +1100, dechucka wrote:
> > Right, it is a cheap crappy gun good for putting bullets into an area.
> > Good as a military weaon good for the gun hoons but good for serious
> > shooting NO
>
> I've known people who used it for deer hunting... A 30-30 has an energy of
> about 1800 ft-lbs... A 7.62x39 goes for about 1550 ft-lbs... Due to the
> more aerodynamic shape of the 7.62x39 bullet, after 100 yards, the 30-30
> pretty much comes out the loser... Most hunting that I used a 30-30 on
> though did not lend itself to seeing anything that was 100 yards away from
> you anyway...
>
> --
Really tough guys hunt bears with SKS !
http://www.kalibr.ru/pdf/20/sks.pdf
Rough translation from the first page " We shoot bears with SKS, too.
Cartridge is rather bad, but after fifth or sixth shot bear always
fells down - from talk with Kamchatka hunting leader"

Janusz

P.S. Have you checked the web page?

On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:04:07 -0700, janusz_w@hotmail.com wrote:

> Really tough guys hunt bears with SKS !
> http://www.kalibr.ru/pdf/20/sks.pdf
> Rough translation from the first page " We shoot bears with SKS, too.
> Cartridge is rather bad, but after fifth or sixth shot bear always fells
> down - from talk with Kamchatka hunting leader"

I guess it would depend upon the bear... I've know people who would use
..45s for bear... Definiely not a Kodiak though... <grin>

> P.S. Have you checked the web page?

The one about the SKS models? Yeah... Best I can tell, mine has probably
gone through an arsenal and things mixed up a bit from when it was
originally built since the receiver cover does not have a stamp on it...
The other parts appear to be Russian to the best of my ability to
determine it... Actually, when I first got it and cleaned the cosmoline
off of it, it looked very much like the one on the first page of the PDF
file that you linked to above...

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On 19 Mar, 16:47, Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net>
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> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:04:07 -0700, janus...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Really tough guys hunt bears with SKS !
> >http://www.kalibr.ru/pdf/20/sks.pdf
> > Rough translation from the first page " We shoot bears with SKS, too.
> > Cartridge is rather bad, but after fifth or sixth shot bear always fells
> > down - from talk with Kamchatka hunting leader"
>
> I guess it would depend upon the bear... I've know people who would use
> .45s for bear... Definiely not a Kodiak though... <grin>
So the Russians are more tough )). Kamchatka brown bears is very
similar to Kodiaks.

>
> > P.S. Have you checked the web page?
>
> The one about the SKS models? Yeah... Best I can tell, mine has probably
> gone through an arsenal and things mixed up a bit from when it was
> originally built since the receiver cover does not have a stamp on it...
Do you have any markings on receiver cover, like serial number. Next,
what about markings on receiver (star)?
The rifle which went thru the arsenal would bear some additional
markings. There is still good chance that your rifle is from the end
of production (1955/1956) in the SU.


> The other parts appear to be Russian to the best of my ability to
> determine it... Actually, when I first got it and cleaned the cosmoline
> off of it, it looked very much like the one on the first page of the PDF
> file that you linked to above...

The hunting rifle is just slightly changed original military version.
The full description is in the PDF.

Janusz







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On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:48:04 -0700, janusz_w@hotmail.com wrote:

> So the Russians are more tough )). Kamchatka brown bears is very
> similar to Kodiaks.

With a jacketed round, you should get sufficient penetration since they
recommend against them for deer due to over penetration... You could make
up for the loss in bullet expansion by just using more shots (assuming
that you can convince the target to stay around long enough for those
extra shots)... Hell, with enough rounds, you could kill a Kodiak with a
..22LR... Whether he stays around long enough for you to do that or decides
to remove you from the food chain in the process is a completely different
question though...

> Do you have any markings on receiver cover, like serial number. Next,
> what about markings on receiver (star)? The rifle which went thru the
> arsenal would bear some additional markings. There is still good chance
> that your rifle is from the end of production (1955/1956) in the SU.

The markings that are on there are rather light, but I think that I can
make out an arsenal marking... I probably need to find a magnifying glass
to get a better look at it... I'm not so sure that any of these would show
up very well with my camera since I don't have a macro lens for it...

> The hunting rifle is just slightly changed original military version.
> The full description is in the PDF.

Unless I'm mistaken, the PDF was in Russian... Feel free to translate the
entire page and send it to me... It lmight be interesting reading...

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:27:52 -0800, Scott wrote:

> A shitty one.
>
> They work, but they don't have the fit and finish.

Well, it looks like I'm not going to be able to compare the Taurus with
the Beretta... I was haggling via email with the seller back and forth
over a few days (apparently, he only checks his email once per day or so)
and he came back with a counter offer of $350... I told him I would go for
it, but he had someone agree to the original price that he asked... Paying
asking price without haggling? What fun is that? The strange thing was
that the ad was on CraigsList and it stayed there for all this time...
Usually the anti-2nd-Amendment leftists over there flag firearm ads and
they last only a couple of hours...

Speaking of CraigsList, I bought a motorcycle for Kaitlyn off of there
yesterday... Yamaha TTR250... Spent today teaching her how to ride it in
the backyard and then around the lake behind our house... The seat is a
bit high on it, but she's doing pretty good at handling it... She only
dropped it twice today and each time was when she stopped, so other than
some dirt on the end of the clutch lever, no big deal...

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On 19 Mar, 21:21, Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net>
wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:48:04 -0700, janus...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > So the Russians are more tough )). Kamchatka brown bears is very
> > similar to Kodiaks.
>
> With a jacketed round, you should get sufficient penetration since they
> recommend against them for deer due to over penetration... You could make
> up for the loss in bullet expansion by just using more shots (assuming
> that you can convince the target to stay around long enough for those
> extra shots)... Hell, with enough rounds, you could kill a Kodiak with a
> .22LR...
Only very, very lazy bear.


> Whether he stays around long enough for you to do that or decides
> to remove you from the food chain in the process is a completely different
> question though...
>
> > Do you have any markings on receiver cover, like serial number. Next,
> > what about markings on receiver (star)? The rifle which went thru the
> > arsenal would bear some additional markings. There is still good chance
> > that your rifle is from the end of production (1955/1956) in the SU.
>
> The markings that are on there are rather light, but I think that I can
> make out an arsenal marking... I probably need to find a magnifying glass
> to get a better look at it... I'm not so sure that any of these would show
> up very well with my camera since I don't have a macro lens for it...
>
> > The hunting rifle is just slightly changed original military version.
> > The full description is in the PDF.
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, the PDF was in Russian... Feel free to translate the
> entire page and send it to me... It lmight be interesting reading...

Entire page? I'm too lazy to do it!
Changes were introduced due to law of weapon requirements to "clearly"
distinguish military from civilian weapons. From "civilian" was
removed bayonet with its lug. Standard rear sight was replaced with
"civilian" one without standard markings for 300m and additional pin
was added into barrel.

Janusz

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:48:44 -0700, janusz_w@hotmail.com wrote:

> Only very, very lazy bear.

Yeah, I don't think that I would want to bet my life on him being that
lazy...

On the other hand, someone created a .22 minigun at one time... I saw a
video of it awhile back, but couldn't find the link to it... Here's
something a bit more conventional that *might* convince the bear to go
elsewhere...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=104_1179405681

> Entire page? I'm too lazy to do it!
> Changes were introduced due to law of weapon requirements to "clearly"
> distinguish military from civilian weapons. From "civilian" was removed
> bayonet with its lug. Standard rear sight was replaced with "civilian"
> one without standard markings for 300m and additional pin was added into
> barrel.

Mine has the flip up rear sight with the various distance markings on it...

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"Grumman-581" <grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net> wrote in message
newsan.2008.03.20.04.50.23.359000@grumman581-usenet-2008-spambob-net...

> Well, it looks like I'm not going to be able to compare the Taurus with
> the Beretta... I was haggling via email with the seller back and forth
> over a few days (apparently, he only checks his email once per day or so)
> and he came back with a counter offer of $350... I told him I would go for
> it, but he had someone agree to the original price that he asked... Paying
> asking price without haggling? What fun is that? The strange thing was
> that the ad was on CraigsList and it stayed there for all this time...
> Usually the anti-2nd-Amendment leftists over there flag firearm ads and
> they last only a couple of hours...

Probably bait...

> Speaking of CraigsList, I bought a motorcycle for Kaitlyn off of there
> yesterday... Yamaha TTR250... Spent today teaching her how to ride it in
> the backyard and then around the lake behind our house... The seat is a
> bit high on it, but she's doing pretty good at handling it... She only
> dropped it twice today and each time was when she stopped, so other than
> some dirt on the end of the clutch lever, no big deal...

Cool!

Bitches on bikes!

In article <pan.2008.03.19.15.47.15.375000@grumman581-usenet-2008-
spambob-net>, grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net says...

> I guess it would depend upon the bear... I've know people who would use
> .45s for bear... Definiely not a Kodiak though... <grin>

There was a bar in the sticks of NC that had a big bear in a cage
outside, and the patrons were generally mean to the bear, poking it with
sticks and otherwise harassing it. One night when I was there with a
friend, some drunk yeehaws were harassing the bear and feeding it beer
and managed to let it out of the cage. They took off, and the bear came
in the back door of the bar. It was pretty pissed, and it destroyed one
of those shuffleboard bowling games and then stood up on its hind legs
and started towards where we were. My friend put 6 .45's into the bear
(plus 2 into the wall) and it didn't faze it a bit. We all went out the
front door and locked the bear inside. Someone got a .30-.30 out of his
truck and went back in and killed the bear, who by that time was feeling
the effects from the .45's. I have no idea what kind of bear it was, but
it was big and brown.

Fucking with bears is just plain stupid.

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:15:35 +0000, Al Wells wrote:

> There was a bar in the sticks of NC that had a big bear in a cage outside,
> and the patrons were generally mean to the bear, poking it with sticks and
> otherwise harassing it. One night when I was there with a friend, some
> drunk yeehaws were harassing the bear and feeding it beer and managed to
> let it out of the cage. They took off, and the bear came in the back door
> of the bar. It was pretty pissed, and it destroyed one of those
> shuffleboard bowling games and then stood up on its hind legs and started
> towards where we were. My friend put 6 .45's into the bear (plus 2 into
> the wall) and it didn't faze it a bit. We all went out the front door and
> locked the bear inside. Someone got a .30-.30 out of his truck and went
> back in and killed the bear, who by that time was feeling the effects from
> the .45's. I have no idea what kind of bear it was, but it was big and
> brown.

The ones that I've known to be hunted with a .45 were probably the smaller
black bear...

> Fucking with bears is just plain stupid.

Darwin will be there to protect you... <evil-grin>

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