OT -- Lesson Learned

When loading an ATV into the back of a pickup, if the front wheels become
airborn after coming up the ramp, slamming on the front brakes does not do
any good...

Also, the cost of a rear window on a Dodge pickup is *slightly* less than
the deductible that you currently have on your insurance policy...

Yeah, figure it out for yourself how I know this little fact...

<sheepish-grin>

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Grumman-581 wrote

> When loading an ATV into the back of a pickup, if the front wheels become
> airborn after coming up the ramp, slamming on the front brakes does not do
> any good... Also, the cost of a rear window on a Dodge pickup is
> *slightly* less than the deductible that you currently have on your
> insurance policy...
> Yeah, figure it out for yourself how I know this little fact...
> <sheepish-grin>

Seems there are three lessons to be learned from this:
1. You've already covered this one.
2. It's a good idea not to load an ATV at speeds that result in airborne
front wheels.
3. If you have a full time four wheel drive ATV, like our Honda Ranchers,
applying either brake, front or back, brakes all four wheels.

Lee

"Grumman-581" <grumman581-usenet-2008@spambob.net> wrote in message
newsan.2008.03.25.06.29.53.641000@grumman581-usenet-2008-spambob-net...
> When loading an ATV into the back of a pickup, if the front wheels become
> airborn after coming up the ramp, slamming on the front brakes does not do
> any good...
>
> Also, the cost of a rear window on a Dodge pickup is *slightly* less than
> the deductible that you currently have on your insurance policy...
>
> Yeah, figure it out for yourself how I know this little fact...
>
> <sheepish-grin>

Believe it or not the same is true for a motorcycle. I'm familiar with a
1970's vintage truck with a dented front box rail that resulted from the
same sort of action. After 30+ years the grin no longer returns - unless of
course I see a message like yours.

On Mar 25, 2:29*am, Grumman-581 <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net>
wrote:
> When loading an ATV into the back of a pickup, if the front wheels become
> airborn after coming up the ramp, slamming on the front brakes does not do
> any good...
>
> Also, the cost of a rear window on a Dodge pickup is *slightly* less than
> the deductible that you currently have on your insurance policy...
>
> Yeah, figure it out for yourself how I know this little fact...
>
> <sheepish-grin>

Ban atv's.

JF

On Mar 25, 7:50*am, "ben bradlee" <No...@Way.Bite.Me> wrote:
> "Grumman-581" <grumman581-usenet-2...@spambob.net> wrote in message
>
> newsan.2008.03.25.06.29.53.641000@grumman581-usenet-2008-spambob-net...
>
> > When loading an ATV into the back of a pickup, if the front wheels become
> > airborn after coming up the ramp, slamming on the front brakes does not do
> > any good...
>
> > Also, the cost of a rear window on a Dodge pickup is *slightly* less than
> > the deductible that you currently have on your insurance policy...
>
> > Yeah, figure it out for yourself how I know this little fact...
>
> > <sheepish-grin>
>
> Believe it or not the same is true for a motorcycle. *I'm familiar with a
> 1970's vintage truck with a dented front box rail that resulted from the
> same sort of action. *After 30+ years the grin no longer returns - unless of
> course I see a message like yours.

Snowmobiles too. They have lousy front brakes anyway.

JF

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:06:51 -0400, Lee Bell wrote:

> Seems there are three lessons to be learned from this: 1. You've already
> covered this one.
> 2. It's a good idea not to load an ATV at speeds that result in airborne
> front wheels.
> 3. If you have a full time four wheel drive ATV, like our Honda Ranchers,
> applying either brake, front or back, brakes all four wheels.

It had been sitting up awhile at my hangar and I hadn't used it in quite
awhile, so I was having a bit of difficulty keeping it running... As such,
the choke was all the way out and I was having to add gas to keep it
running... This gave a bit extra speed up the ramp than I originally
intended... Add this to the fact that my truck is high enough that the
ramp was thus at a pretty good angle resulting in a bit less weight on the
front wheels... Throw in a little irritation at not being able to push it
up the ramp with the enging not running initially... Yep, a recipe for a
definite ooops...

My ATV does have full time 4WD... It's a Yamaha Big Bear 400... As far as
I know, the brakes are not linked... If they are, then I guess this wasn't
the reason that I went too far forward... I was just a little bit too far
forward... If I hadn't had the front trailer hitch there acting as a
battering ram, I wouldn't have even touched the window... As it was, it
shattered so much that glass came all the way to the front of the center
console between the two front seats...

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Grumman-581 wrote

> My ATV does have full time 4WD... It's a Yamaha Big Bear 400... As far as
> I know, the brakes are not linked... If they are, then I guess this wasn't
> the reason that I went too far forward... I was just a little bit too far
> forward... If I hadn't had the front trailer hitch there acting as a
> battering ram, I wouldn't have even touched the window... As it was, it
> shattered so much that glass came all the way to the front of the center
> console between the two front seats...

My brakes aren't linked either, well, not directly. The drive trains,
however, are. Using the rear brakes does not engage the front ones, but it
does stop them through the linkage. In fact, the ATV has a warning to that
effect posted someplace obvious.

Lee

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:35:44 -0400, Lee Bell wrote:

> My brakes aren't linked either, well, not directly. The drive trains,
> however, are. Using the rear brakes does not engage the front ones, but it
> does stop them through the linkage. In fact, the ATV has a warning to that
> effect posted someplace obvious.

I was just outside vacuuming up the glass out of the interior of my truck
in addition to all that was in the bed of my truck... A couple of the
glass pieces make it all the way to the dash, although most of it stayed
in the rear seat / cargo area... Oh well, my truck needed a good vacuuming
anyway... Turns out that the truck bed area / 3rd brake light lens was
also damaged in the incident... It is located at the top of the cab of the
truck... Hell, I guess I only needed a little more air and I would have
drove over the top of the truck... No metal dented as far as I can tell,
so still not enough to probably declare on my insurance...

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Grumman-581 wrote

> I was just outside vacuuming up the glass out of the interior of my truck
> in addition to all that was in the bed of my truck... A couple of the
> glass pieces make it all the way to the dash, although most of it stayed
> in the rear seat / cargo area... Oh well, my truck needed a good vacuuming
> anyway... Turns out that the truck bed area / 3rd brake light lens was
> also damaged in the incident... It is located at the top of the cab of the
> truck... Hell, I guess I only needed a little more air and I would have
> drove over the top of the truck... No metal dented as far as I can tell,
> so still not enough to probably declare on my insurance...

One of the things I like best about you is that there's no moderation in
your soul. When you do things, including, screwing up, you don't hold back.

Lee

On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:46:32 -0400, Lee Bell wrote:

> One of the things I like best about you is that there's no moderation in
> your soul. When you do things, including, screwing up, you don't hold
> back.

Yeah, and I've had the broken bones to prove it...

Got the rear window replaced today... Total cost of $199... Took them
less time to do it than it took me to drive over there... I had quotes
anywhere from $199 to $450 for the glass... I have a $500 deductible, so
it definitely wasn't going to be claimed on my insurance...

Maybe I should have just had it replaced with 1/8" diamond plate instead...

Just got to replace the third brake light lens and it'll be good as new...

Oh well, I needed to vacuum my truck out anyway...

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