A Prayer from Chris Guynn

ben bradlee wrote

> The problem with rec.scuba "conservatives" is that "liberal" is a slam
> instead of a position on issues.

Actually, the problem is that it's applied that way to a few very specific,
and highly emotional issues. Conservative, liberal, Republican and Democrat
do not consistently identify all the beliefs of all the people that claim
the label.

Lee

On Mar 28, 6:30*am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ben bradlee wrote
>
> > The problem with rec.scuba "conservatives" is that "liberal" is a slam
> > instead of a position on issues.
>
> Actually, the problem is that it's applied that way to a few very specific,
> and highly emotional issues. Conservative, liberal, Republican and Democrat
> do not consistently identify all the beliefs of all the people that claim
> the label.

Actually, this election cycle, liberal/Democrats are mostly pretty
much on the same page. That's why we're having a problem deciding
between two candidates who, except for their skin color and gender,
are practically twins. Today's liberal/Democrat, just like
yesterday's liberal/Democrat, is pro-choice, pro gun-control, anti-
death penalty, supportive of public assistance and affirmative action
where necessary, against unnecessary war. That's Hillary's platform.
That's Obama's platform. That's what I support. Most liberal/
Democrats won't have a big problem getting behind either candidate,
though I'm still pushing for Madam H to win. How all of you diverse
conservative/Republicans are going to support McCain is the big
question this year.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 28, 6:30 am, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ben bradlee wrote
>
> > The problem with rec.scuba "conservatives" is that "liberal" is a slam
> > instead of a position on issues.
>
> Actually, the problem is that it's applied that way to a few very
> specific,
> and highly emotional issues. Conservative, liberal, Republican and
> Democrat
> do not consistently identify all the beliefs of all the people that claim
> the label.

:Actually, this election cycle, liberal/Democrats are mostly pretty
:much on the same page. That's why we're having a problem deciding
:between two candidates who, except for their skin color and gender,
:are practically twins. Today's liberal/Democrat, just like
:yesterday's liberal/Democrat, is pro-choice, pro gun-control, anti-
:death penalty, supportive of public assistance and affirmative action
:where necessary, against unnecessary war. That's Hillary's platform.
:That's Obama's platform. That's what I support. Most liberal/
:Democrats won't have a big problem getting behind either candidate,
:though I'm still pushing for Madam H to win. How all of you diverse
:conservative/Republicans are going to support McCain is the big
:question this year.

Conservative = good, liberal = bad is so much easier to remember.

By the way Greg, where are your pictures? The link I have to your pictures
still shows none published. I thought I saw in another thread that you'd
put some more on the web.

ben bradlee wrote

> :Actually, this election cycle, liberal/Democrats are mostly pretty
> :much on the same page. That's why we're having a problem deciding
> :between two candidates who, except for their skin color and gender,
> :are practically twins.

Not at all. One's a racist and the other's a criminal that got off because
her husband was President, quite different, acutally.

Not all Democrats are liberals. I, for example, am not.

> Today's liberal/Democrat, just like :yesterday's liberal/Democrat, is
> pro-choice

As are many Republicans

> pro gun-control

Anti Constitution

> anti-death penalty

Which has a lot to do with why our prisons are so overcrowded.

> supportive of public assistance

For those that have no right to be here in the first place and always at
somebody else's expense.

> affirmative action

Blatant discrimination on a prohibited basis. Anti Constitution again.

Lee

On Mar 28, 1:49*pm, "ben bradlee" <No...@Way.Bite.Me> wrote:

> Conservative = good, liberal = bad is so much easier to remember.
>
> By the way Greg, where are your pictures? *The link I have to your pictures
> still shows none published. *I thought I saw in another thread that you'd
> put some more on the web.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos

On Mar 28, 2:01*pm, "Lee Bell" <pleeb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Not at all. One's a racist and the other's a criminal that got off because
> her husband was President, quite different, acutally.
>
> Not all Democrats are liberals. I, for example, am not.

That's just being disingenuous. When I joined the NRA, it was only
because I lost a bet. What's your excuse?

> > Today's liberal/Democrat, just like :yesterday's liberal/Democrat, is
> > pro-choice
>
> As are many Republicans

Confused Republicans. The party platform is pro-life.

> > pro gun-control
>
> Anti Constitution

A fact of American life since America became America. Get used to it.

> > anti-death penalty
>
> Which has a lot to do with why our prisons are so overcrowded.

Only if you believe that the overcrowding is caused by those who
committed capital crimes and would otherwise have been executed, but
that's clearly a mistaken belief. The vast majority of crimes that
cause prison overcrowding are not capital crimes, so an anti-death-
penalty stance has barely anything to do with why our prisons are so
overcrowded.

> > supportive of public assistance
>
> For those that have no right to be here in the first place and always at
> somebody else's expense.

For anyone who needs it, because charity and mercy are considered good
human values by liberal/Democrats, even though Republicans view them
as disgusting and wasteful. It's what Jesus would do.

> > affirmative action
>
> Blatant discrimination on a prohibited basis. Anti Constitution again.

It was blatant discrimination to keep certain people as slaves a
recent while back. It was blatant discrimination to keep certain
people in the back of the bus even more recently. It's blatant
discrimination to be pulled over for "driving while black" today.
It's nice to be white. You'll find that the vast majority of
Republican/conservatives are white. What a coincidence.

"Lee Bell" <pleebell@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> ben bradlee wrote
>
> > :Actually, this election cycle, liberal/Democrats are mostly pretty
> > :much on the same page. That's why we're having a problem deciding
> > :between two candidates who, except for their skin color and gender,
> > :are practically twins.
>
> Not at all. One's a racist and the other's a criminal that got off because
> her husband was President, quite different, acutally.
>
> Not all Democrats are liberals. I, for example, am not.
>
> > Today's liberal/Democrat, just like :yesterday's liberal/Democrat, is
> > pro-choice
>
> As are many Republicans
>
> > pro gun-control
>
> Anti Constitution
>
> > anti-death penalty
>
> Which has a lot to do with why our prisons are so overcrowded.
>
> > supportive of public assistance
>
> For those that have no right to be here in the first place and always at
> somebody else's expense.
>
> > affirmative action
>
> Blatant discrimination on a prohibited basis. Anti Constitution again.

Wasted words my man.

None of these leftist moonbats understand what "American" means.

They use the two parties to divide and conquer.

I am not a Republican or Democrat, I am an American and damned happy to be.

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> "Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Perhaps we could actually get someone in office who understood
> >> >> > fiscal
> >> >> > conservatism? Looking at our upcoming options, that's highly
> > unlikely.
> >> >>
> >> >> The only fiscal conservative (that I remember) as marked by actually
> >> >> spending less government money than what was taken in is Bill
Clinton.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.uuforum.org/deficit.htm
> >> >>
> >> >> What's that big blue blip hiding in the bushes?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > So the Republican Congress, who passes the budges that the President
> > can't
> >> > change....gets no credit?
> >>
> >> I'm sorry but I miss your point as it relates to fiscal conservative.
Is
> >
> > And that does not surprise me in the least.
> >
> >> your question a pun amplified by the word "credit?" You can give
> >> Congress
> >> credit for anything you want to give Congress credit for.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Uhm,.....no......it' the reality that...Congress....passes the
> > budget.....and the president has two choices - sign or veto.
>
> Yes? The point being? Is there a different choice if you're liberal or

The point being that Congress is passes the budget. The president sends his
requests and Congress can add on all sots of other things, remove them, etc
then the spending bill, if passed by both the House and Senate, goes to the
President, who can either accept it or veto it.

> conservative? How does your favorite whipping boy, Bill Clinton, manage
to

Uhm...no...which is why I assign to Congress credit or blame for budget
deficits.

> hold the title you give him while at the same time managing budget
> surpluses? Different Congress? Different choices?

I didn't give him that title, and yes, the congress of 2006-2008 is
different fromthe one in 1994-1996.
We've had these things called "elections". Incumbents can lose, retire,
choose not to run, new foks get elected....
It's not that difficult, Ben.

>
> I don't think I'd go so far as to argue that Bill Clinton is or was a
fiscal
> conservative, at least by my definition. But, as it turns out, he is the
> only one that even remotely resembles a fiscal conservative using the
budget
> deficit as a measure. Chris's view that there are no fiscal conservatives

And I've thought I pointed out that the President does not have sole control
over the budget.

> appears to ignore the Clinton legacy and the reality that Hillary is
> running. Surely, Hillary is not Bill; but I suspect the apple falls not
far
> from the family tree. It's impossible to gauge the future based on
campaign
> hype; but a look back on the budget deficit statistics indicates it's not
> the Republican party that's bringing forth the fiscal conservatives. The
> myth that R.R. was a fiscal conservative was pretty well debunked in one
of
> the initial links.

You still don't understand the role of Congress in the budget process, do
you?


Dennis

"Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You still don't understand the role of Congress in the budget process, do
> you?

That explains the differences. You're referencing something I've not
discussed.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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http://picasaweb.google.com/Mossman.Photos


Wow! Wow!

Thanks.