A Prayer from Chris Guynn

"Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> > You still don't understand the role of Congress in the budget process,
> do
>> > you?
>>
>> That explains the differences. You're referencing something I've not
>> discussed.
>>
>
> It IS relevant when trying to paint Clinton as a fiscal consefvative
> though.

By defining "conservative" as "net budget surplus" it's a slam dunk
transforming Bill Clinton into a conservative. I went on to say that I
don't think you can effectively argue that Bill Clinton is a conservative.
Likewise, picking one of 435 house members input to the budget process and
arguing from that input Bill Clinton is "conservative" or "liberal" seems to
me a bit far fetched. Of course, a more daunting task would be the analysis
of all 435 house members to determine Bill Clinton's tendencies. It's a
fairly straight line from net results to leadership. It's much harder to
determine the exact relationship Bill Clinton's dentist or other supporters
may have played in the budget surplus.

"ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> wrote in message
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> "Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > You still don't understand the role of Congress in the budget process,
do
> > you?
>
> That explains the differences. You're referencing something I've not
> discussed.
>
>

It IS relevant when trying to paint Clinton as a fiscal consefvative though.

Dennis

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> "Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >> "Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1552c$47edb24a$4c49ae41$22460@KNOLOGY.NET...
> >> >
> >> > You still don't understand the role of Congress in the budget
process,
> > do
> >> > you?
> >>
> >> That explains the differences. You're referencing something I've not
> >> discussed.
> >>
> >
> > It IS relevant when trying to paint Clinton as a fiscal consefvative
> > though.
>
> By defining "conservative" as "net budget surplus" it's a slam dunk
> transforming Bill Clinton into a conservative. I went on to say that I

Once again, you're ignoring Congress' role in the budget process.

> don't think you can effectively argue that Bill Clinton is a conservative.
> Likewise, picking one of 435 house members input to the budget process and
> arguing from that input Bill Clinton is "conservative" or "liberal" seems
to
> me a bit far fetched. Of course, a more daunting task would be the
analysis
> of all 435 house members to determine Bill Clinton's tendencies. It's a
> fairly straight line from net results to leadership. It's much harder to
> determine the exact relationship Bill Clinton's dentist or other
supporters
> may have played in the budget surplus.
>
>

Unsurprisingly, you still don't get it.

Dennis

"Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Unsurprisingly, you still don't get it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/idiot

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> > >> "Dennis (Icarus)" <ala_dir_diver@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > >> > "ben bradlee" <NoWay@Way.Bite.Me> wrote in message
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> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Perhaps we could actually get someone in office who understood
> > >> >> > fiscal
> > >> >> > conservatism? Looking at our upcoming options, that's highly
> > > unlikely.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The only fiscal conservative (that I remember) as marked by
actually
> > >> >> spending less government money than what was taken in is Bill
> Clinton.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_conservatism
> > >> >>
> > >> >> http://www.uuforum.org/deficit.htm
> > >> >>
> > >> >> What's that big blue blip hiding in the bushes?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > So the Republican Congress, who passes the budges that the
President
> > > can't
> > >> > change....gets no credit?
> > >>
> > >> I'm sorry but I miss your point as it relates to fiscal conservative.
> Is
> > >
> > > And that does not surprise me in the least.
> > >
> > >> your question a pun amplified by the word "credit?" You can give
> > >> Congress
> > >> credit for anything you want to give Congress credit for.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > Uhm,.....no......it' the reality that...Congress....passes the
> > > budget.....and the president has two choices - sign or veto.
> >
> > Yes? The point being? Is there a different choice if you're liberal or
>
> The point being that Congress is passes the budget. The president sends
his
> requests and Congress can add on all sots of other things, remove them,
etc
> then the spending bill, if passed by both the House and Senate, goes to
the
> President, who can either accept it or veto it.
>
> > conservative? How does your favorite whipping boy, Bill Clinton, manage
> to
>
> Uhm...no...which is why I assign to Congress credit or blame for budget
> deficits.

I blame both.

The only way the president can avoid (at least part of) the blame is if
Congress overrides his veto.