Earth Hour

On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:20:18 +1100, "dechucka"
<dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Geoff" <geoff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:m3s0v31hr1kqmjs2jt1idaonbhk6s93lgm@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:50:38 +1100, "dechucka"
>> <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>>>"Geoff" <geoff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:kdo0v3hf6vunrq26j37l4rha65t4qetd0b@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT), JOF <jofrancis@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>We're into steel studs up here now although the trusses are generally
>>>>>still wood.
>>>>
>>>> Ah! Steel frames. You mean iron and carbon alloyed with some manganese
>>>> and copper cooked in electric blast furnaces with oxygen and coke (not
>>>> the soda) made from coal. It only takes about 440 kWh per ton, (not
>>>> counting the power it took to produce the coke) to produce steel so
>>>> I'm sure there's a big savings there. Not to worry though, coke is
>>>> made from low-sulfur coal and we export a lot of that. Coke is also
>>>> produced in New South Wales, Australia. --- Hey! Wasn't that one of
>>>> the cities in the EH contingent last night? I bet it was. Wow.
>>>
>>>NSW is a State of the Commonwealth of Australia, Capital city Sydney. NSW
>>>is
>>>famous for coal fired power stations, dirty coal and the building of an
>>>unneeded desalination plant that is expensive in power and money as they
>>>don't want to recycle water
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the correction! That's right, Sidney, NSW, Australia. The
>> city with the sometimes-dark Opera House and the Harbor Bridge. Origin
>> of Earth Hour.
>
>
>with a "y' please. Was Sydney really the originator of earth hour?
>

Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_hour

A product of WWFA, and the Sydney Morning Herald.

"Geoff" <geoff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:20:18 +1100, "dechucka"
> <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Geoff" <geoff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:m3s0v31hr1kqmjs2jt1idaonbhk6s93lgm@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:50:38 +1100, "dechucka"
>>> <dechucka@vomithotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Geoff" <geoff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:kdo0v3hf6vunrq26j37l4rha65t4qetd0b@4ax.co m...
>>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT), JOF <jofrancis@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>We're into steel studs up here now although the trusses are generally
>>>>>>still wood.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah! Steel frames. You mean iron and carbon alloyed with some manganese
>>>>> and copper cooked in electric blast furnaces with oxygen and coke (not
>>>>> the soda) made from coal. It only takes about 440 kWh per ton, (not
>>>>> counting the power it took to produce the coke) to produce steel so
>>>>> I'm sure there's a big savings there. Not to worry though, coke is
>>>>> made from low-sulfur coal and we export a lot of that. Coke is also
>>>>> produced in New South Wales, Australia. --- Hey! Wasn't that one of
>>>>> the cities in the EH contingent last night? I bet it was. Wow.
>>>>
>>>>NSW is a State of the Commonwealth of Australia, Capital city Sydney.
>>>>NSW
>>>>is
>>>>famous for coal fired power stations, dirty coal and the building of an
>>>>unneeded desalination plant that is expensive in power and money as they
>>>>don't want to recycle water
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the correction! That's right, Sidney, NSW, Australia. The
>>> city with the sometimes-dark Opera House and the Harbor Bridge. Origin
>>> of Earth Hour.
>>
>>
>>with a "y' please. Was Sydney really the originator of earth hour?
>>
>
> Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_hour
>
> A product of WWFA, and the Sydney Morning Herald.

Thankyou kindly for the information. Show you how closely I read the SMH

On Mar 31, 12:38*am, Geoff <ge...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT), JOF <jofran...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >We're into steel studs up here now although the trusses are generally
> >still wood.
>
> Ah! Steel frames. You mean iron and carbon alloyed with some manganese
> and copper cooked in electric blast furnaces with oxygen and coke (not
> the soda) made from coal. It only takes about 440 kWh per ton, (not
> counting the power it took to produce the coke) to produce steel so
> I'm sure there's a big savings there. Not to worry though, coke is
> made from low-sulfur coal and we export a lot of that. Coke is also
> produced in New South Wales, Australia. *--- Hey! Wasn't that one of
> the cities in the EH contingent last night? I bet it was. Wow.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coke_%28fuel%29
>
> One major byproduct of coke production is carbon monoxide and
> hydrogen. They "purify" the hydrogen by passing the gas through water
> vapor to get pure hydrogen and carbon dioxide gas. You can use the
> hydrogen to help stoke the heating of the coke. Not sure what they do
> with the carbon dioxide. Maybe they liquefy it and use it to blend
> with Coke, the soda. Of course liquefying CO2 takes compressors and
> expansion coolers and they run on electricity. Hmm... maybe they just
> vent it to the air?
>
> Steel is what made Gary Indiana, Cleveland Ohio and Pittsburgh
> Pennsylvania such garden cities before America became "enlightened"
> and outsourced steel making to Japan. Wonder how many Americans lost
> their jobs when than business folded. Not to worry, they probably got
> jobs in IT or went for MBA degrees so they could run large American
> corporations like McDonalds or Wal-Mart.
>
> Steel is also a major component of hybrid vehicles. Sure wish we still
> made automobiles here too. I bet a lot of trees were saved by not
> using wood studs. A lot of GHG too. Wait... isn't CO2 a GHG? Where did
> I see something about CO2 and steel...

Don't you feel guilty about the power you're wasting posting all this
environmental correctness?

JF