Re: Dear John:

8 bodies found in cars
Rumours run rampant, but police investigators are revealing few details
about four abandoned vehicles and one resident's grisly discovery on his
farm near Shedden
Apr. 9, 2006. 08:50 AM
NICOLAAS VAN RIJN
STAFF REPORTER


Forensic investigators in the tiny London-area hamlet of Shedden today are
continuing to piece together clues in the worst mass murder in Ontario
history, discovered when a local resident went to investigate strange cars
parked on his farm overnight.

Police say the man, who lives in a wooded rural area, looked out his window
at about 8:30 yesterday morning and saw three cars and a tow truck parked on
and near his property.

On investigating, the resident came across the bodies of eight adult white
males, police said.

"This type of grisly find is very surprising to a lot of people, ourselves
included," said Ontario Provincial Police Sgt. David Rektor.

"It's quite shocking."

Many locals were quick to connect the deaths to the Hells Angels and
Bandidos biker gangs that have long been active in this area, and police
specialists said a biker connection could not be ruled out.

One police source talked of a motorcycle gang "turf war" that's been going
on in the London area for some time.

"That's the first thing that comes to mind," said the source, noting there's
a farm in nearby Dutton where members of the motorcycle gang the Bandidos,
rivals to the Hells Angels, hang out.

According to a neighbour, local landowner Russ Steele found the bodies on
his property, which he bought about a year ago.

Brent Potter, who lives less than a kilometre from the scene, said Steele
dropped by yesterday to say he'd be leaving for a few days. Potter said
Steele told him he'd found the bodies, which left him badly shaken.

"It's never good to find someone that has been killed in your
neighbourhood," Potter said.

Rektor would not say how the men died or where the bodies were located in
the crime scene, on Stafford Line near Mill Rd. southwest of St. Thomas and
just a short distance from Highway 401. Three cars and a tow truck are
involved.

News photographers who flew over the scene, a barren stubble field bordered
by trees and shrubbery about 200 kilometres southwest of Toronto, returned
with images of a small silver-blue compact hatchback driven into a farmer's
field, nosed into a fence a few metres from one of the lonely gravel roads
that bisect the area.

The rear hatch was open, showing the body of a man sprawled in the rear.

Parked not far away on the adjacent road was a dark blue tow truck hauling
another small blue compact car. A third car was nearby. Police would not say
if bodies were found in or near the truck, operated by an Etobicoke company,
Superior Towing, or in the other cars. Superior officials would not discuss
how one of their trucks came to be involved in the crime scene.

"It's all males that are involved in this incident," the OPP's Rektor said.
"I can't speculate on the ages, other than to say they are adult males,
Caucasian."

Yesterday's grim discovery, in the pastoral farmlands of southwestern
Ontario, came as farmers were preparing the soil for spring seeding, and as
local residents were getting ready to celebrate the rituals of Easter week.

"In rural Ontario - especially in Elgin County, which is very much a farming
community, a very peaceful area of the province - this type of grisly
finding is very surprising," the OPP's Rektor noted.

The discovery left area residents reeling, and trying to make connections as
they cast about for answers. Some questioned whether bikers were somehow
connected, or drugs, especially after bodies were found dumped here in 1994
and 1998 in murders that remain unsolved today.

Rektor wouldn't comment on a possible biker connection.

"At this stage of the investigation we can't speculate on motives," he said.
"And it's something we'll have to find out down the road as the
investigation ensues, in terms of what happened."

But he was quick to reassure local residents.

"At this point there is no further information to reveal that there's a
threat at this point to people in this area," Rektor said. "The area has
been looked at extensively earlier this morning, so at this point we're
satisfied that this incident is contained to this area specifically."

Police scoured the area on foot, by helicopter and with tracking dogs, but
remained tight-lipped about what they found.

"At this point, there's a lot of information coming in very rapidly, and
we're assessing that information," Rektor said, refusing to elaborate.
"We've got our criminal investigation branch here, an assortment of experts
within the OPP, to do the investigation. We're going to move forward and try
to piece it back together."

Local residents, stunned by the violence visited on their tiny community,
say that can't happen quickly enough.

Stan Lidster, the deputy mayor of the township of Southwold, which covers
the area, said he was shocked by the grim morning discovery.

"I don't know what to think of it, it's terrible," said Lidster. "This is a
pretty quiet area."

One woman, who has lived in the 400-resident hamlet of Sheddon for the past
20 years, said local residents had a grim foreboding when firefighters
called to the scene returned to the hall in record time.

"I just had a terrible feeling when the firemen came back," she said. "We
were having a church bazaar and we said, `You've been called out,' and they
said, `Oh no, it was something bad,' because they weren't even allowed near
the crime scene."

The lonely road, some 25 kilometres southwest of London, "is not very well
travelled," said Murray Silcox, who runs the general store in Shedden, the
closest community of any size. "It's a gravel road."

Still, he wasn't totally surprised to find police investigators at work
nearby.

"This stuff happens all the time," he said. "Midnight justice, or whatever
you want to call it."

But the scale of the find is unprecedented in modern Ontario history.

Most Ontario mass murders, single incidents involving more than two or three
victims, are domestic incidents.

The worst previous mass murder in Ontario occurred July 6, 2000, when
42-year-old Bill Luft of Kitchener stabbed his wife Bohumila and shot dead
their four children - Daniel, 7, Nicole, 5, Peter, 2, and three-month-old
David - before turning the gun on himself.

One of the worst previous mass murders involving non-related victims came in
Ottawa on April 6, 1999, when a disgruntled former transit employee, Pierre
Lebrun, shot four transit workers dead in a bus garage before killing
himself.

Farmer Rob Monteith, a municipal councillor for the area who lives several
kilometres away from where the eight bodies were discovered, expressed the
shock and surprise of local residents.

"Oh, I think everybody around here is surprised," he said. "It's a rural
road, but it's a pretty well-travelled area."

The road, which is not lit at night, is used by local residents as a
shortcut to the Ford plant, Monteith said.

Josie Morton, who lives about six minutes away from where the cars were
found, said the find, while shocking, wasn't completely a surprise.

"I've lived in the area my whole life and I've noticed a lot more violent
crime reported in London, in nice neighbourhoods," she said. "A lot of it
seems to be drug-related. It is shocking, but it's a very isolated area."

Local farms, she said, "are kind of spread out," and it's easy to go unseen
in the area, which she described as "secluded."

It's so quiet, in fact, that the sight of a police cruiser with its flashers
going is itself an unusual sight.

Charlene Armstrong had just finished an early Easter dinner with her
husband, Gary, when she saw an OPP cruiser, flashers alight, speed by.

"It happens so rarely, we knew there was something going on," Armstrong
said, adding she even called her mother Monica Oates to tell her about it.

The Armstrongs, who have lived just off Stafford Line for nine years, said
they were "shocked" when an OPP officer came to the door with news of the
awful discovery, and wondering whether they'd seen anything out of the
ordinary.

"We didn't hear anything. The dog didn't bark. Nothing," Armstrong said.

Her husband agreed. "It's a quiet rural community where all the neighbours
watch out for each other," he said.

"It's nothing that I'm involved with, or that the community is involved
with," he added. "Until we get more information it's all speculation.

"I'm not overly surprised," the man added. "This kind of stuff is creeping
more and more into the rural area."

Many residents got the news from reporters.

" I never heard of that. Oh, my God! You're kidding," said Holly Lunn on
hearing the news. "That's craziness. I thought there was an accident on the
401," said the woman, who has lived in Shedden all her life.

Carol O'Connor, 50, who spent the day working the check-out line in
Shedden's only store, had little information. "I just heard that there was a
crime scene back there," she said.

"Popeye" wrote

>8 bodies found in cars
> Rumours run rampant, but police investigators are revealing few details
> about four abandoned vehicles and one resident's grisly discovery on his
> farm near Shedden

Must have been beaten to death with golf clubs or hockey sticks. We all
know that the only gun violence in Canada is in the inner cities, where the
drug addicts are doing all of Canada a favor by shooting one another, and
only one another.

Lee

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:04:27 GMT, "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>"Popeye" wrote
>
>>8 bodies found in cars
>> Rumours run rampant, but police investigators are revealing few details
>> about four abandoned vehicles and one resident's grisly discovery on his
>> farm near Shedden
>
>Must have been beaten to death with golf clubs or hockey sticks. We all
>know that the only gun violence in Canada is in the inner cities, where the
>drug addicts are doing all of Canada a favor by shooting one another, and
>only one another.

Apparently a bunch of bikers doing some internal house cleaning. It
happened only about an hour from here and I've never heard of the gang
- the Bandidos or banditos. They're described as an American club
trying to get a piece of the crime action in Canada. Five men are
already under arrest for the murders. Be interesting to see how it
plays out.

JF

"JOF" <jofrancis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:04:27 GMT, "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Popeye" wrote
>>
>>>8 bodies found in cars
>>> Rumours run rampant, but police investigators are revealing few details
>>> about four abandoned vehicles and one resident's grisly discovery on his
>>> farm near Shedden
>>
>>Must have been beaten to death with golf clubs or hockey sticks. We all
>>know that the only gun violence in Canada is in the inner cities, where
>>the
>>drug addicts are doing all of Canada a favor by shooting one another, and
>>only one another.
>
> Apparently a bunch of bikers doing some internal house cleaning. It
> happened only about an hour from here and I've never heard of the gang
> - the Bandidos or banditos. They're described as an American club
> trying to get a piece of the crime action in Canada. Five men are
> already under arrest for the murders. Be interesting to see how it
> plays out.


Durn.

Dag nabit.

Those persnickety Americans again.

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Lucky Canada has all those laws to prevent -just- this kind of violence.

--

"The fishermen know that the sea is dangerous and the storms
terrible, but they have never found these dangers sufficient
reason for remaining ashore." - Vincent van Gogh

www.finalprotectivefire.com

"Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JOF" <jofrancis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:v84m32dqcq56kac8khrd5ckcopat5aegd2@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:04:27 GMT, "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>"Popeye" wrote
> >>
> >>>8 bodies found in cars
> >>> Rumours run rampant, but police investigators are revealing few
details
> >>> about four abandoned vehicles and one resident's grisly discovery on
his
> >>> farm near Shedden
> >>
> >>Must have been beaten to death with golf clubs or hockey sticks. We all
> >>know that the only gun violence in Canada is in the inner cities, where
> >>the
> >>drug addicts are doing all of Canada a favor by shooting one another,
and
> >>only one another.
> >
> > Apparently a bunch of bikers doing some internal house cleaning. It
> > happened only about an hour from here and I've never heard of the gang
> > - the Bandidos or banditos. They're described as an American club
> > trying to get a piece of the crime action in Canada. Five men are
> > already under arrest for the murders. Be interesting to see how it
> > plays out.
>
>
> Durn.
>
> Dag nabit.
>
> Those persnickety Americans again.
>
>
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IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITE.
>
> Lucky Canada has all those laws to prevent -just- this kind of violence.

Found this interesting.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...=1144587907387

>
> --
>
> "The fishermen know that the sea is dangerous and the storms
> terrible, but they have never found these dangers sufficient
> reason for remaining ashore." - Vincent van Gogh
>
> www.finalprotectivefire.com
>
>

Dennis

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:39:26 -0400, "Popeye"
<Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:

>
>"JOF" <jofrancis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:v84m32dqcq56kac8khrd5ckcopat5aegd2@4ax.com.. .
>> On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:04:27 GMT, "Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Popeye" wrote
>>>
>>>>8 bodies found in cars
>>>> Rumours run rampant, but police investigators are revealing few details
>>>> about four abandoned vehicles and one resident's grisly discovery on his
>>>> farm near Shedden
>>>
>>>Must have been beaten to death with golf clubs or hockey sticks. We all
>>>know that the only gun violence in Canada is in the inner cities, where
>>>the
>>>drug addicts are doing all of Canada a favor by shooting one another, and
>>>only one another.
>>
>> Apparently a bunch of bikers doing some internal house cleaning. It
>> happened only about an hour from here and I've never heard of the gang
>> - the Bandidos or banditos. They're described as an American club
>> trying to get a piece of the crime action in Canada. Five men are
>> already under arrest for the murders. Be interesting to see how it
>> plays out.
>
>
>Durn.
>
>Dag nabit.
>
>Those persnickety Americans again.

I took from the news coverage (on tv) that the people involved (perps
and vics) were all Canuck bikers affiliated with the American club

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CBC TV National 11pm news

>Lucky Canada has all those laws to prevent -just- this kind of violence.

As long as they stick to killing off each other the system works for
me. Perhaps they'll only charge them with littering.

JF

"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message
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>
> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> So it was the typical bullshit Canadian innuendo that we've come to
>> expect.
>
> "As a senior member of the Bandidos in the U.S., Winterhalder presided
> over
> a so-called "patch-over" ceremony inducting members of the Rock Machine
> into
> the gang in early 2001. He said he personally appointed Muscedere
> president
> of the Canadian chapter."

Uh-uh, Sweetcheeks, uh-uh.

Let's have the -whole- cite, first off, and make sure it says
"A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N GANG" like John said.

Nice pivot for the team, though.

"Lee Bell" <leebell@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Popeye" wrote
>
> >8 bodies found in cars
> > Rumours run rampant, but police investigators are revealing few details
> > about four abandoned vehicles and one resident's grisly discovery on his
> > farm near Shedden
>
> Must have been beaten to death with golf clubs or hockey sticks. We all
> know that the only gun violence in Canada is in the inner cities, where
the
> drug addicts are doing all of Canada a favor by shooting one another, and
> only one another.

Well, in this case it was criminal gang members off each other, but you know
.. . .whatever. Not to mention, that none of the accused are going to be
accepted into any Mensa clubs.

Lee Bell wrote:
> "Popeye" wrote
>
>
>>8 bodies found in cars
>>Rumours run rampant, but police investigators are revealing few details
>>about four abandoned vehicles and one resident's grisly discovery on his
>>farm near Shedden
>
>
> Must have been beaten to death with golf clubs or hockey sticks. We all
> know that the only gun violence in Canada is in the inner cities, where the
> drug addicts are doing all of Canada a favor by shooting one another, and
> only one another.
>
> Lee
>
>
with guns brought in by american criminals

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:03:58 -0400, "Popeye"
<Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:

>
>"chilly" <slarson@shaw.canada> wrote in message
>newsUP_f.3451$WI1.2058@pd7tw2no...
>>
>> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
>> news:123na1rpflof083@news.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> So it was the typical bullshit Canadian innuendo that we've come to
>>> expect.
>>
>> "As a senior member of the Bandidos in the U.S., Winterhalder presided
>> over
>> a so-called "patch-over" ceremony inducting members of the Rock Machine
>> into
>> the gang in early 2001. He said he personally appointed Muscedere
>> president
>> of the Canadian chapter."
>
> Uh-uh, Sweetcheeks, uh-uh.
>
> Let's have the -whole- cite, first off, and make sure it says
>"A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N GANG" like John said.
>
> Nice pivot for the team, though.

So you're saying the Bandidos is not an American based biker gang?

JF