where does the time go?

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:ZKS1g.11514$iB2.9123@bignews4.bellsouth.net.. .
> "Don" wrote
>
> >> I'll have to take your word for it. I don't have as much experience
> with
>>> welfare as you obviously do.
>
>> How's that generator runnin ?
>
> Great. Thanks for asking.

Great.........your welcome........I'm always willing to help the needy.

>
>> Huh........Lots of towns in Fla with the name Hills in it. >
> Yep, but Davie isn't one of them, is it?

My bad........I thought you said there were no hills in Fla/Haiti.
Personally I always kinda pictured the entire state to have a toilet bowl
shape to it.

>
>> Either way........Hillbilly/Inbred...........its all good.
>
> I'll have to take your word for that too.

Your getting wiser.
>
>> I would have guessed at least a month.
>
>> Oh thats a bad guess, but good try...... I'll only get faster as June 1st
>> gets closer.
>
> My guess was too short, huh?

No prob........sounds like coming up short is habitual for ya.
>
> Lee
>
>

"dazed and confuzzed" wrote in message
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> But I would think that it would be unconstitutional (and unfair) to
> require it just so people who don't prepare can find fuel afterwards. 55
> gallon drums aren't too expensive...

But how long will 55 gallons actually last you with a decent sized
generator?

When I was up in Iowa on a previous contract, the 55g drums were $10 each --
plastic or steel... I picked up one of the plastic ones for use in my hangar
for refueling my aircraft... It paid for itself on the first refueling...


--
"Hillary Clinton should be burned at the stake for being either a witch or a
Communist."

> But how long will 55 gallons actually last you with a decent sized
> generator?

> When I was up in Iowa on a previous contract, the 55g drums were $10
> each --
> plastic or steel... I picked up one of the plastic ones for use in my
> hangar
> for refueling my aircraft... It paid for itself on the first refueling...

When Wilma hit, I had roughly 50 gallons stored in 15 gallon drums I kept in
the garage. They have the advantage of being easier to move around. I
filled the larger drums by filling a few 5 gallon cans each time I went to a
gas station. After my experience with Wilma, I've changed the plan a bit.
I now have two 55 gallon drums, which I'll fill the same way, the same 15
gallons drums, and a rotary hand pump that fits either size.

Power after a hurricane is not the only advantage to being able to stockpile
gas. When the hurricane hit, all of my gas was purchased at pre hurricane
prices, substantially less than its cost afterwards. As it happens, I'm
beginning to fill my 55 gallon drums now, reducing my average fuel cost as
prices in my area, which are currently at $3.00 a gallon for regular and
rising. I'll probably maintain my supply right through the next hurricane
season, but will rotate it, and stabilize it, between now and when I draw it
down again.

I'll do OK for power and auto fuel. Pity me for what it will cost to use
the boat. It gets 1 mile to the gallon on high test and holds 180 gallons.
Not only does it cost a lot to use it, the value of the boat will be
depressed by its high operating costs.

Just to make this scuba related. You may assume that the cost of dive trips
will increase along with fuel prices. So will the cost of everything else.

Lee

Lee Bell wrote:

>>But I would think that it would be unconstitutional (and unfair) to
>>require it just so people who don't prepare can find fuel afterwards. 55
>>gallon drums aren't too expensive...
>
> It's true that 55 gallon drums are not all that expensive. It's also true
> that my insurance company would take a very dim view of a stockpile of
> gasoline near my home. When Wilma hit, I had 50 gallons of fuel ready and
> waiting. It wasn't even close to enough. My generator used 10 gallons per
> day for more than two weeks. I use about 25 gallons a week in my car.
> Jayna uses about that much every three weeks. She works much closer to home
> that I do.
>
> So, figure 210 gallons for the generator, 75 for my car and 25 for hers and
> the problem gets clear pretty quickly. To supply yourself, that's about 6 x
> 55 gallon drums, more than I'm ever likely to store at home.

Why not store that much? IF you want the security and convenience,
you'll l have to ensure it yourself by having the fuel. Depending on
others in a time of adversity is foolish.

If you are worried about safety in storage, switch to a diesel
generator. Store much better, and is a hell of a lot less volatile.
Besides, it gives you more power per unit volume.
>
> At least I have a home to store it at. Since you've been down here once or
> twice, you probably have at least some idea of how many apartments and
> condos there are. What do the million or so people that live in them do?
> How about police and emergency services? How about power and other utility
> workers? How about insurance agents and grocery store owners?

What the apartment dwellers do is not my problem. I don't choose to live
in a little box stacked with other little boxes. We all have choices,
and they choose to live that way. I choose to live another, as do you.
There are consequences to every choice we make.

As for the utility companies and emergency services, they can stock fuel
(and should) at their base of operations. Why should it be incumbent on
the retail fuel establishments to provide their fuel? Here, both have at
least some limited fuel supplies for emergency use.
>
> I did well both because I started with a working supply, because fuel
> sources were open to me because of my employment and my membership in a boat
> club that has its own pumps and generator and because I was also purchasing
> generator gas for a police friend who was working 18 hour shifts keeping
> things calm at the few gas stations that were open. It's remarkable that
> there weren't daily gun battles in the mile plus long lines at gas stations,
> particularly when some people realized they had burned more gas in the line
> than they were allowed to buy when they got to the pump.
>
> The last hurricane proved, beyond any doubt, that gas stations are critical
> infrastructure. Generators are simply a cost of doing business, just like
> all the other equipment and safety requirements for such businesses.

So you are comparing safety equipment to something that allows them to
stay open for the convenience of their customers?
>
> Don't worry about the poor gas stations that have to pay for them. All but
> one of the stations that were open significantly increased the price of
> their gas and still sold it as fast as it could be pumped

Then those that sell gas (using generators) will make money...THose that
choose not to have generators won't. Gasoline may be critical
infrastructure, but it's still private business. Government should not
legislate how the business chooses to do business. If it was all that
good of an idea, every retail gas outlet would be rushing to install
generators. THe fact that many haven't should tell you something.


The one station
> that didn't, also sold it as fast as it could be pumped, also made a lot of
> money in a very short time, and is a bit of a local hero for his
> consideration for his neighbors.

So does he get everyone's business at the cost of his competitors? Or
does everyone just buy where it is either most convenient or where it's
cheapest like before?
>
> Lee
>
>


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When I’m good, I’m very good….

When I’m bad, I’m at my best.


__________________________________________________ __________________________
"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Ld32g.11377$Kn4.7803@bignews2.bellsouth.net.. .
> "Don" wrote
>
>>>> Huh........Lots of towns in Fla with the name Hills in it. >
>>> Yep, but Davie isn't one of them, is it?
>
>> My bad........I thought you said there were no hills in Fla/Haiti.
>> Personally I always kinda pictured the entire state to have a toilet bowl
>> shape to it.
>
> Ignorance can be cured. Keep working on it.
>
Aw c'mon Lee ........answer all the questions. Don't turn into a "cut n
paster" on me now. Leave the cherry pickin to the rest o these faigs.

Lee Bell wrote:
>
> It's true that 55 gallon drums are not all that expensive. It's also true
> that my insurance company would take a very dim view of a stockpile of
> gasoline near my home.

Probably a good time to say a few good words about diesel (vs gasoline)
and that up north, many homes have 275 gallon "Home Heating Oil" tanks
without any real hassles from insurance companies.


Of course, when it comes to a 3000-5000psi compressor useful to fill
scuba tanks, none of the small ones are diesel fired.


-hh

>Government should not legislate how the business chooses to do business. If
>it was all that
>good of an idea, every retail gas outlet would be rushing to install
>generators.

Banking's a private business too. Shall we do away with usary laws and the
FDIC? Are you ready to take the full risk of someone that clones your
credit card or would you prefer the government continue to control your
exposure? How about usary laws. Are you ready to pay whatever the lenders
chose to charge, or would you prefer some controls? How about fair credit
reporting. Are you ready to risk your credit rating to collection agents?
What's your opinion on monopolies? Does your idea cover that too?

The idea that government should not legislate how businesses do business is
a joke and always has been.

Lee

Lee Bell wrote:

>>Government should not legislate how the business chooses to do business. If
>>it was all that
>>good of an idea, every retail gas outlet would be rushing to install
>>generators.
>
>
> Banking's a private business too. Shall we do away with usary laws and the
> FDIC? Are you ready to take the full risk of someone that clones your
> credit card or would you prefer the government continue to control your
> exposure? How about usary laws. Are you ready to pay whatever the lenders
> chose to charge, or would you prefer some controls? How about fair credit
> reporting. Are you ready to risk your credit rating to collection agents?
> What's your opinion on monopolies? Does your idea cover that too?
>
> The idea that government should not legislate how businesses do business is
> a joke and always has been.
>
> Lee
>
>
One is for protection of the customers, one is not. You are comparing
apples to kumquats

--
When I’m good, I’m very good….

When I’m bad, I’m at my best.


__________________________________________________ __________________________
"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3

"Lee Bell" <pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:sjV2g.14285$4O2.1438@bignews7.bellsouth.net.. .
> No, I'm saying generators are a cost of doing business, just like pumps to
> dispense fuel, just like the fuel they sell, just like the buildings they
> occupy and the tanks they keep their gas in and just like the safety
> equipment necessary to keep everything from going up in flames.

I suspect that each pump uses around 500W, or perhaps a bit less... A 12V
pump with a 14 gpm rate only uses 16A (i.e. 192W)... I figure that with the
other electronics in the pump, 500W is probably not too far off... Figure a
station might have 8 pumping stations which could be utilized from both
sides and we get somewhere between 3.2 and 16 kW... You can get a 45kW
generator for around $12K or a 20kW one for around $7K... You might be able
to go with a smaller once since not all the pumps would necessarily be
pumping at the same time or the station restricted access to only a certain
number of pumps at any one time... If a station is in a place that loses
power due to hurricanes a lot, I would think that it would be in their best
interest to provide a means whereby they can remain in business...

Lee Bell wrote:

>
> Banking's a private business too. Shall we do away with usary laws

Look into the "Title Loans" & "Payday Loans" Florida allowed. Theres
many wiseguys in prisons nationwide for loansharking lower rates.