Anyone hard anything about Kimber?

"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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> I'm big brother. Actually, I'm in automation and IT, which begs of me
> to be big brother

Hilarious.

Run and then post me.

On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:47:14 -0700, "Scott"
<pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in rec.scuba:

>"John Hanson" <jhanson@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
>news:1a7n821gr5qts3n12jiqbtai078hmnfkb8@4ax.com.. .
>
>> I'm big brother. Actually, I'm in automation and IT, which begs of me
>> to be big brother
>
>Hilarious.
>
>Run and then post me.
>
?

You're making Popeye look bad. Is there anything on this planet that
you have a leadership role in?

Scott wrote:
> "John Hanson" wrote:
> > "Dennis \(Icarus\)" wrote:
> > >
> > > Kimber [Hawkins] was a regular here, though its been awhile since
> > > she's posted. Evidently the family wants privacy, at least for now.
> > >
> > Well, all they are doing is allowing a rumor mill to go into full
> > production.

Yes, but simply not in public on SB. This means it will go PM and the
rumor quality will get worse instead of better.


> > They are acting like she came down with a case of full
> > blown AIDS or Ebola. Hmmm, she wasn't diving in Africa, was she?
>
> Worse.
>
> She was diving off a Silverstein charter, hence the conspicuous lack of
> accurate information, which is really stupid, because it is all going to
> come out in the end anyway.


For example,

Scott had written: "Information I have is that she is in a coma, has
been since surfacing unconcious."


This is an interesting statement, since Joel's report claimed that she
surfaced and informed the crew she was not feeling well - - which is
kind of hard to do without being concious. Its hard not to begin to
speculate when one is confronted with clearly opposing "facts".


Similarly, "Multiple chamber rides"...

Yet Joel said it was a "medical emergency", not a "dive emergency".
Yet you don't go for a chamber ride for a heart attack...but you would
go for a chamber ride for a DCS II CNS hit.


> http://www.tekdivegirl.org/

Nice sentiment, although I'd expect that DAN Insurance would be paying
the bulk. Ditto for carrier insurance if she was working as a DM
onboarrd that charter...another little piece of missing information.


-hh

John Hanson wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 23:15:10 -0500, "Dennis \(Icarus\)"
> <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in rec.scuba:
>
>>Kimber was a regular here, though its been awhile since she's posted.
>>Evidently the family wants privacy, at least for now.
>>
>
> Well, all they are doing is allowing a rumor mill to go into full
> production. They are acting like she came down with a case of full
> blown AIDS or Ebola. Hmmm, she wasn't diving in Africa, was she?


Any diving accident with some operators who in the aftermath
try to calm things down, especially under the seemingly fake
premisses of not upsetting the family, gives me the red lights.

Kind of like those reports of YBOD deaths caused by a heart
condition.

IMHO, there is something seriously wrong, and that guy is
plotting a cover up.

Matthias

On 11 Jun 2006 07:40:42 -0700, "Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote:

>Of more concern that what happened is - what is her condition? We know
>it's very critical. Does anyone have an update?
>
>What happened can and certainly must be dealt with later. Right now, I
>want to know how she is. She has 3 kids still at home, for gawds sake.
>I am thinking that when there is a change, it will be announced
>somewhere.

Probably here:

http://www.tekdivegirl.org/

I can't believe this, after all that lass has been through... she
stayed with us for a couple of weeks after her operation.

Flaming Nora(1), why does this shit always seem to happen to those who
least deserve it?

(1) she always loves it when I say that!

Mike
--
http://www.corestore.org
'As I walk along these shores
I am the history within'

"Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150036842.769195.199520@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...

> Of more concern that what happened is - what is her condition? We know
> it's very critical. Does anyone have an update?

Everyone should e-mail or call Silverstein, personally.

Scuba Training & Technology LLC
Lake Havasu City , AZ 86406
Cell Phone: 928-486-5112
Email: joel@trimixdiver.com

> What happened can and certainly must be dealt with later. Right now, I
> want to know how she is. She has 3 kids still at home, for gawds sake.
> I am thinking that when there is a change, it will be announced
> somewhere.

She is in big trouble, and that isnt going to change for the better anytime
soon.

-hh wrote:

> Similarly, "Multiple chamber rides"...
>
> Yet Joel said it was a "medical emergency", not a "dive emergency".
> Yet you don't go for a chamber ride for a heart attack...but you would
> go for a chamber ride for a DCS II CNS hit.
>
remember that she went for a few rides after her OW dives, just a few
years ago too.
>
> > http://www.tekdivegirl.org/

It would be nice to see an update saying even that her condition was
slightly improved, or even not changed or (horrors) worse (if that's
even possible.) Apparently we are to assume that no news = no change.


*

In article <1150025863.969420.253920@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>, -hh
<recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

€ Scott wrote:
€ > "John Hanson" wrote:
€ > > "Dennis \(Icarus\)" wrote:
€ > > >
€ > > > Kimber [Hawkins] was a regular here, though its been awhile since
€ > > > she's posted. Evidently the family wants privacy, at least for now.
€ > > >
€ > > Well, all they are doing is allowing a rumor mill to go into full
€ > > production.
€
€ Yes, but simply not in public on SB. This means it will go PM and the
€ rumor quality will get worse instead of better.
€
€
€ > > They are acting like she came down with a case of full
€ > > blown AIDS or Ebola. Hmmm, she wasn't diving in Africa, was she?
€ >
€ > Worse.
€ >
€ > She was diving off a Silverstein charter, hence the conspicuous lack of
€ > accurate information, which is really stupid, because it is all going to
€ > come out in the end anyway.
€
€
€ For example,
€
€ Scott had written: "Information I have is that she is in a coma, has
€ been since surfacing unconcious."
€
€
€ This is an interesting statement, since Joel's report claimed that she
€ surfaced and informed the crew she was not feeling well - - which is
€ kind of hard to do without being concious. Its hard not to begin to
€ speculate when one is confronted with clearly opposing "facts".
€

Such as "Not feeling well" and "Medivac" (i.e., helicoptor evacuation)

Given that Silverstien labeled Steve Donathan a "consummate
professional" last summer, I have to question anything he says.

€
€ Similarly, "Multiple chamber rides"...
€
€ Yet Joel said it was a "medical emergency", not a "dive emergency".
€ Yet you don't go for a chamber ride for a heart attack...but you would
€ go for a chamber ride for a DCS II CNS hit.
€
€
€ > http://www.tekdivegirl.org/
€
€ Nice sentiment, although I'd expect that DAN Insurance would be paying
€ the bulk. Ditto for carrier insurance if she was working as a DM
€ onboarrd that charter...another little piece of missing information.
€

I seriously doubt she was working as a DM on that particular boat.

€
€ -hh
€

"John Hanson" wrote

> Am I missing something here?

Mostly, you're missing the history of conjecture, speculation and finger
pointing that has gone on relative to almost every scuba accident since
there were newsgroups to allow it all as well as the almost certainty that a
substantial portion of the traffic is both uninformed and incorrect. That
doesn't stop us from doing it over and over, but it's reason enough for
someone to try.

Kimber used to be an active member here. We talked with her, talked with
her deceased husband and even went through his death with her. A lot of us
know her. Some of us know her and her kids well. On behalf of the group,
some of us even tried to provide some financial assistance when her husband
died unexpectedly. As far as I know, Kimber is a competent diver, but she's
not a diving celebrity. She's simply somebody a lot of people know.

Few, if any, of us know Kimbers family. They have little or no reason to
communicate anything with us. The requests to wait until the facts are in,
however, are probably not coming directly from them. They're probably
coming from friends who have seen how crazy discussions like this can get
and, almost certainly, from those related to the operator she was using at
the time, an operator that, along with any buddy she may have had at the
time, will be the subject of a rather extensive investigation and who,
fairly or not, will probably be blamed for some element of the accident by
people who don't have much of a clue about the sport and who don't need the
be helped in reaching bad conclusions by the kind of speculation that
happens in forums like this one.

Of course, none of this changes the fact that we're interested in her
condition, in what happened to put her in that condition and in what we can
do differently to ensure that the next thread like this isn't about another
one of us.

Lee

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:23:05 -0400, "Lee Bell"
<pleebell2@bellsouth.net> wrote in rec.scuba:

>"John Hanson" wrote
>
>> Am I missing something here?
>
>Mostly, you're missing the history of conjecture, speculation and finger
>pointing that has gone on relative to almost every scuba accident since
>there were newsgroups to allow it all as well as the almost certainty that a
>substantial portion of the traffic is both uninformed and incorrect. That
>doesn't stop us from doing it over and over, but it's reason enough for
>someone to try.
>
>Kimber used to be an active member here. We talked with her, talked with
>her deceased husband and even went through his death with her. A lot of us
>know her. Some of us know her and her kids well. On behalf of the group,
>some of us even tried to provide some financial assistance when her husband
>died unexpectedly. As far as I know, Kimber is a competent diver, but she's
>not a diving celebrity. She's simply somebody a lot of people know.
>
>Few, if any, of us know Kimbers family. They have little or no reason to
>communicate anything with us. The requests to wait until the facts are in,
>however, are probably not coming directly from them. They're probably
>coming from friends who have seen how crazy discussions like this can get
>and, almost certainly, from those related to the operator she was using at
>the time, an operator that, along with any buddy she may have had at the
>time, will be the subject of a rather extensive investigation and who,
>fairly or not, will probably be blamed for some element of the accident by
>people who don't have much of a clue about the sport and who don't need the
>be helped in reaching bad conclusions by the kind of speculation that
>happens in forums like this one.
>
>Of course, none of this changes the fact that we're interested in her
>condition, in what happened to put her in that condition and in what we can
>do differently to ensure that the next thread like this isn't about another
>one of us.
>
Nor does it change the fact that when regular updates aren't released,
all sorts of rumors get started. I wonder who is meant by her family.
Her children or her parents or perhaps her boyfriend or even an
ex-husband. Apparently they are the reason given for lack of
information. If it's her children, well, perhaps they are being
advised by someone involved in the accident. Anywho, thanks for the
info, Lee.