Visit to the local dive store - A new mail order customer is born

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:57:36 -0500, GWB <gwb3483@eatel.net> wrote:
> YooHoo!
> No more pesky VIPs or Hydros!

Hydros-R-Us
http://www.mytoolstore.com/young/stamps.html

VIPs-R-Us
http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4807260
http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/wl-ol525.htm

You just need to think outside the box...

How does the vending machine check a tank for hydo and visual?

Al
Bottoms Up Divers

"Ray" <ray@rayzplace.com> wrote in message
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> Popeye wrote:
>>
>> Ray, FYI, I heard there's air vending in Florida somewhere.
>>
>> It ain't new in Europe.
>>
>
>
> That is actually great news as long as it is successful. I see it as a
> step towards making the individual diver take a little more responsibility
> upon his/her shoulders. A small step ... but a step all the same.
>
>
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ajtessier wrote:
> How does the vending machine check a tank for hydo and visual?
>
> Al
> Bottoms Up Divers


Just speculation, but if we (the USA) were to have these all over the
place, then it puts the responsibility of following guidelines on the
back of the person filling their own tanks. Yes, hydro and visual is
designed to keep the owner and the filler of the cylinder safer, but in
this case, they are both the same guy. I know that I wouldn't be dumb
enough to pump an unknown potential bomb just because it was easier than
going down to the dive shop.

Come to think of it, these would do a great job of reducing the number
of idiot divers!

Hmmmm...

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"Some Random Dude" <insane_at_large@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:46:53 -0700, Ray <ray@rayzplace.com> wrote:
>
>>ajtessier wrote:
>>> How does the vending machine check a tank for hydo and visual?
>>>
>>> Al
>>> Bottoms Up Divers
>>
>>
>>Just speculation, but if we (the USA) were to have these all over the
>>place, then it puts the responsibility of following guidelines on the
>>back of the person filling their own tanks. Yes, hydro and visual is
>>designed to keep the owner and the filler of the cylinder safer, but in
>>this case, they are both the same guy. I know that I wouldn't be dumb
>>enough to pump an unknown potential bomb just because it was easier than
>>going down to the dive shop.
>>
>>Come to think of it, these would do a great job of reducing the number
>>of idiot divers!
>>
>>Hmmmm...
>
> given your ligitious culture it would be more likely to cause lawsuits
> by the family of a darwin award winner against the vendor providor AND
> the tank manufactorer and cause a senator who doesn't dive introduce a
> bill to make tank filling an exchange basis where you take your tank
> into a govt depot, pay $$$ and pick up another filled tank. every tank
> being tested hydroed, fiddled with and filled by work relief crims on
> rehab progams who need to read the manual every time they hook up a
> new tank.
>
> :P

That's a thought- in order to insure you have a valid VIP and hydro, you
have to leave some part of your body in the chamber as a deposit while it
fills, like a hand or a foot pressing a knob.

Perfect.

Popeye wrote:
> "Clifford Beshers" <whistler@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Sgqjg.11957$Z67.9969@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>> Popeye wrote:
>>> "ajtessier" <ajtessier@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Cxnjg.175559$Fs1.51287@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>> How does the vending machine check a tank for hydo and visual?
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>> Bottoms Up Divers
>>> Why would it need to?
>> Might damage the compressor. Wouldn't want that.
>
>
> Statistically speaking, it's a non-event.
>
> Any Outback restaurants near you?

Yup.

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:24:53 -0400, "Popeye"
<Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>"Some Random Dude" <insane_at_large@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:nkds829m6bim8csiaigsp640udn9j2ac23@4ax.com.. .
>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 19:46:53 -0700, Ray <ray@rayzplace.com> wrote:
>>
>>>ajtessier wrote:
>>>> How does the vending machine check a tank for hydo and visual?
>>>>
>>>> Al
>>>> Bottoms Up Divers
>>>
>>>
>>>Just speculation, but if we (the USA) were to have these all over the
>>>place, then it puts the responsibility of following guidelines on the
>>>back of the person filling their own tanks. Yes, hydro and visual is
>>>designed to keep the owner and the filler of the cylinder safer, but in
>>>this case, they are both the same guy. I know that I wouldn't be dumb
>>>enough to pump an unknown potential bomb just because it was easier than
>>>going down to the dive shop.
>>>
>>>Come to think of it, these would do a great job of reducing the number
>>>of idiot divers!
>>>
>>>Hmmmm...
>>
>> given your ligitious culture it would be more likely to cause lawsuits
>> by the family of a darwin award winner against the vendor providor AND
>> the tank manufactorer and cause a senator who doesn't dive introduce a
>> bill to make tank filling an exchange basis where you take your tank
>> into a govt depot, pay $$$ and pick up another filled tank. every tank
>> being tested hydroed, fiddled with and filled by work relief crims on
>> rehab progams who need to read the manual every time they hook up a
>> new tank.
>>
>> :P
>
> That's a thought- in order to insure you have a valid VIP and hydro, you
>have to leave some part of your body in the chamber as a deposit while it
>fills, like a hand or a foot pressing a knob.
>
> Perfect.
>

hmm... on the darwin awards topic... how about a port into the chamber
at crotch height? that should make them think first
:P

"Some Random Dude" <insane_at_large@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:24:53 -0400, "Popeye"
> <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>
> hmm... on the darwin awards topic... how about a port into the chamber
> at crotch height? that should make them think first
> :P

<weg>

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will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector.

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"Ray" wrote

> Just speculation, but if we (the USA) were to have these all over the
> place, then it puts the responsibility of following guidelines on the back
> of the person filling their own tanks. Yes, hydro and visual is designed
> to keep the owner and the filler of the cylinder safer, but in this case,
> they are both the same guy. I know that I wouldn't be dumb enough to pump
> an unknown potential bomb just because it was easier than going down to
> the dive shop.

My, haven't we all been indoctrinated well. There's no legal requirement
for personal use pressure vessels to be visually inspected. That's an
industry imposed standard, a requirement by those who make money off the
tests. Add the VIP plus test which I've actually had shops include a charge
for when inspecting my steel tanks as well as my Catalina aluminum tanks,
neither of which has had the kind of problem the device tests for.

Just curious, out of all the people here, with all the tanks they own, how
many have ever had a tank they bought new, and they filled only to the rated
pressure, be destroyed as a result of hydro or visual test.

How does it happen that we're so concerned about inspections and hydro
tests, but we're not worried about people pumping low pressure tanks to high
presure levels or standard or high pressure tanks to above rated levels?

Between not getting an annual inspection and routinely filling tanks to
significantly more than their rated service pressure, which do you suppose
is more likely to result in a failure?

Personally, I'd probably still get my tanks hydro tested every five years or
so and would visually inspect them myself whenever I suspected there might
be a reason to.

Lee

"Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:130620060636502278%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com ...
> In article <128sfbt358r3tdf@news.supernews.com>, Popeye
> <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>
> ? "Clifford Beshers" <whistler@san.rr.com> wrote in message
> ? news:Sgqjg.11957$Z67.9969@tornado.socal.rr.com...
> ? > Popeye wrote:
> ? >> "ajtessier" <ajtessier@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> ? >> news:Cxnjg.175559$Fs1.51287@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> ? >>> How does the vending machine check a tank for hydo and visual?
> ? >>>
> ? >>> Al
> ? >>> Bottoms Up Divers
> ? >>
> ? >> Why would it need to?
> ? >
> ? > Might damage the compressor. Wouldn't want that.
> ?
> ?
> ? Statistically speaking, it's a non-event.
> ?
> ? Any Outback restaurants near you?
>
> You ate there once.

Me and Erinn?

That was an Outback?

Greg Mossman wrote:

> "Barry" <barry@mydomain.nl> wrote in message
> news:448d59f3$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
>
>>These are fairly common in The Netherlands at least. Just coin-op filling
>>machines giving about 50 bar for 50 eurocents. Very handy as they are open
>>24/7 and much cheaper if you still have over half a tank and just need a
>>top-off.
>
>
> And you can legally smoke a joint and have sex with a prostitute while
> you're waiting.

Damned slow fill stations!