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Hi,
Has anybody of you heard of a possibility or real case,
where somebody had a small ( ca. 1/2") bubble near one
lung's center, and had it successfully removed?

Seems like I have such, and it is a contraindication to diving.

Seems strange with my 1500 dives on the belt.

Still I had a series of minor events ( a bit of post dive
coughing), but also an accident 2 weeks ago which nearly
killed me.
Serious lung edema, very bad oxygen loading of blood.
They rescued and hely-lifted me the very evening into the
Kiel Marine Naval Medical Institute, and from there to the
Universities ICU, where I was artificially breathed with
oxygen and PEEP. Coughed all night, said my watchdog.
Was released the after the next day, apparently not only
fully recovered, but feeling _really_ well. No doubt, wonder
what they put into my central venous plug.

Main cause probably was my elevated blood pressure, which
may have caused a swelling and collapse of the alveolar bed.

Aggravating factors... hard breathing reg, tight
shoulderstraps of Long John, tight crotchstrap, intermittent
bouancy exercise ( from 17m up to 6m, down again),
considerable current, about one knot, from the side,
fighting to keep the the bearing and true COG.

Conclusion: Listen to your body. You don't realize
deteriorizing conditions, like you get accustomed to brake
pad or clutch wear on your car.

Had my lungs tested yesterday. Same performance as ten years
ago. Feeling well with a new life.

greets, all,

Matthias

Matthias Voss wrote:
> nitespark wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Matthias Voss wrote:
>
>
>>> But what worries me, is the amount of acid gasses my VW T4
>>> TurboDiesel expels. It is very irritant to the lungs.
>>> I have this car since 2004, and in the same year my GF suffered from
>>> a lung edema in diving as well, after we had driven 15000 km through
>>> Spain, France, Italy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would not think this to be a factor unless you did a considerable
>> amount of idling, such as in heavy stop & go traffic where it could
>> be blown back into the passenger compartment, or the exhaust is
>> configured in so a way as to not get it away from the passenger
>> compartment adequately. Have you checked the integrity of the exhaust
>> system?
>> I would have thought you would get more exhaust from the vehicle(s) in
>> front of you than from your own.
>
>
> Quite right... Still, when my workshop was unable to do something about
> it, a friend looked at the rear door, whichs swings vertically, and
> found out that the closing loop-strap was so long that it interfered
> with the door's rubber seal.
> We shortened it, which made things better.
> Still, when idling, windows open, you feel it.
>
> I saw other cars (turbo-diesels with particle filter) expel the same
> irritating gas, or vapours.
>
> It smells like sulfuric dioxide, or trichlorethylen subjected to
> ultraviolett light.
>
> Wonder what it is.

I would be afraid to render a guess. Chemistry is not my strong point.
However, if you could lay your hands on a portable CO monitor, that
may give you an indication as to the intensity of what you are getting
in your passenger compartment.

You mention sulfuric dioxide. I guess that may be some by-product of
the type of fuel you are using. May be the same in the US or because of
the makeup of the fuel we might not have that. Most common byproduct of
car exhaust I am familiar with is CO.

My point in measuring the CO is that if you are getting substantial
levels of CO, you would be getting substantial levels of everything else
associated with burning whatever type of fuel you use.

If you are getting substantial CO in your passenger compartment, that
would certainly be something I would want fixed, since CO exposure is
cumulative.

FWIW, a local college (about 15 miles from me), apparently had some sort
of CO issue in one of their dorms. 100+ people were taken to the
Emergency Room. One died, at least one was in critical condition.

nitespark wrote:

>
>
> Matthias Voss wrote:
>
>> nitespark wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthias Voss wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>> But what worries me, is the amount of acid gasses my VW T4
>>>> TurboDiesel expels. It is very irritant to the lungs.
>>>> I have this car since 2004, and in the same year my GF suffered from
>>>> a lung edema in diving as well, after we had driven 15000 km through
>>>> Spain, France, Italy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would not think this to be a factor unless you did a considerable
>>> amount of idling, such as in heavy stop & go traffic where it could
>>> be blown back into the passenger compartment, or the exhaust is
>>> configured in so a way as to not get it away from the passenger
>>> compartment adequately. Have you checked the integrity of the
>>> exhaust system?
>>> I would have thought you would get more exhaust from the vehicle(s)
>>> in front of you than from your own.
>>
>>
>>
>> Quite right... Still, when my workshop was unable to do something
>> about it, a friend looked at the rear door, whichs swings vertically,
>> and found out that the closing loop-strap was so long that it
>> interfered with the door's rubber seal.
>> We shortened it, which made things better.
>> Still, when idling, windows open, you feel it.
>>
>> I saw other cars (turbo-diesels with particle filter) expel the same
>> irritating gas, or vapours.
>>
>> It smells like sulfuric dioxide, or trichlorethylen subjected to
>> ultraviolett light.
>>
>> Wonder what it is.
>
>
> I would be afraid to render a guess. Chemistry is not my strong point.
> However, if you could lay your hands on a portable CO monitor, that may
> give you an indication as to the intensity of what you are getting in
> your passenger compartment.
>
> You mention sulfuric dioxide.

Because I know it's scent from childhood... mixing black
powder..

> I guess that may be some by-product of
> the type of fuel you are using. May be the same in the US or because of
> the makeup of the fuel we might not have that. Most common byproduct of
> car exhaust I am familiar with is CO.

Normally sulfur should not be any more an ingredient of
diesel fuel.
Still there may be other components, like nitrous oxides,
and oil residues altered in the combustion process.


> My point in measuring the CO is that if you are getting substantial
> levels of CO, you would be getting substantial levels of everything else
> associated with burning whatever type of fuel you use.

While I think CO is not a part of it ( having normally 99%
oxygen saturation ), your point is well taken. I could still
run against a wall when recalling how a missed a Draeger
AirLab on Ebay...

> If you are getting substantial CO in your passenger compartment, that
> would certainly be something I would want fixed, since CO exposure is
> cumulative.

This has to be fixed, some way or other, definitely.
I am a bit suspicious about what happens in the particle
filter, which is an ultra-fine linearly sructured honeycomb
of ceramics. Gets quite hot there. Right place for anything
chemical to crack up there.


> FWIW, a local college (about 15 miles from me), apparently had some sort
> of CO issue in one of their dorms. 100+ people were taken to the
> Emergency Room. One died, at least one was in critical condition.

Phew! Sounds bad...Overload in the Emergency...

Matthias

Matthias Voss wrote:
> nitespark wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Matthias Voss wrote:
>
>
>>> But what worries me, is the amount of acid gasses my VW T4
>>> TurboDiesel expels. It is very irritant to the lungs.
>>> I have this car since 2004, and in the same year my GF suffered from
>>> a lung edema in diving as well, after we had driven 15000 km through
>>> Spain, France, Italy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would not think this to be a factor unless you did a considerable
>> amount of idling, such as in heavy stop & go traffic where it could
>> be blown back into the passenger compartment, or the exhaust is
>> configured in so a way as to not get it away from the passenger
>> compartment adequately. Have you checked the integrity of the exhaust
>> system?
>> I would have thought you would get more exhaust from the vehicle(s) in
>> front of you than from your own.
>
>
> Quite right... Still, when my workshop was unable to do something about
> it, a friend looked at the rear door, whichs swings vertically, and
> found out that the closing loop-strap was so long that it interfered
> with the door's rubber seal.
> We shortened it, which made things better.
> Still, when idling, windows open, you feel it.
>
> I saw other cars (turbo-diesels with particle filter) expel the same
> irritating gas, or vapours.
>
> It smells like sulfuric dioxide, or trichlorethylen subjected to
> ultraviolett light.
>
> Wonder what it is.
>
> Matthias
>
Switch to biodiesel or Waste Veggie Oil (WVO) blends.

--
“TANSTAAFL”

”it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees”
__________________________________________________ __________________________
"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3

"Matthias Voss" <spammat.voss@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:e9b831$qj4$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hi,
> Has anybody of you heard of a possibility or real case,
> where somebody had a small ( ca. 1/2") bubble near one
> lung's center, and had it successfully removed?

Man.

I will forward this to several people, but I suggest you contact Dr. Kay via
e-mail;

http://faculty.washington.edu/ekay/

"Matthias Voss" <spammat.voss@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:e9b831$qj4$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hi,
> Has anybody of you heard of a possibility or real case, where somebody had
> a small ( ca. 1/2") bubble near one lung's center, and had it successfully
> removed?
>
> Seems like I have such, and it is a contraindication to diving.
>
> Seems strange with my 1500 dives on the belt.
>
> Still I had a series of minor events ( a bit of post dive coughing), but
> also an accident 2 weeks ago which nearly killed me.
> Serious lung edema, very bad oxygen loading of blood.
> They rescued and hely-lifted me the very evening into the Kiel Marine
> Naval Medical Institute, and from there to the Universities ICU, where I
> was artificially breathed with oxygen and PEEP. Coughed all night, said my
> watchdog.
> Was released the after the next day, apparently not only fully recovered,
> but feeling _really_ well. No doubt, wonder what they put into my central
> venous plug.
>
> Main cause probably was my elevated blood pressure, which may have caused
> a swelling and collapse of the alveolar bed.
>
> Aggravating factors... hard breathing reg, tight shoulderstraps of Long
> John, tight crotchstrap, intermittent bouancy exercise ( from 17m up to
> 6m, down again), considerable current, about one knot, from the side,
> fighting to keep the the bearing and true COG.
>
> Conclusion: Listen to your body. You don't realize deteriorizing
> conditions, like you get accustomed to brake pad or clutch wear on your
> car.
>
> Had my lungs tested yesterday. Same performance as ten years ago. Feeling
> well with a new life.
>
> greets, all,
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
You have come to the right place to have your questions resolved. Never mind
doctors and all that bullshit. I highly recommend some serious repeatative
deep diving to cure what ails you. Get back in the water ASAP and quit
whinning like a pussy.

nitespark wrote:

>
>
> Matthias Voss wrote:
>
>> This has to be fixed, some way or other, definitely.
>> I am a bit suspicious about what happens in the particle filter, which
>> is an ultra-fine linearly sructured honeycomb of ceramics. Gets quite
>> hot there. Right place for anything chemical to crack up there.
>
>
> I am guessing what you are calling a particle filter is what we refer to
> as a catalytic converter. I didn't realize diesels had catalytic
> converters. I know gas powered cars in the US do.

I believe it is different. It is a ceramic "honeycomb"
structure consisting of a multitude of parallel microtubes.
Their walls are so fine that you overlook them when looking
straight through, only thing you notice is that all you see
is blurred by diffraction.

It is meant to filter out diesel combustion dust, or at
least modify the size of the particles blown out.

They are thinking about real catalytic filters for diesels
here, but these require some active heating, afaik.

Matthias

Matthias Voss wrote:
> nitespark wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Matthias Voss wrote:
>>
>>> This has to be fixed, some way or other, definitely.
>>> I am a bit suspicious about what happens in the particle filter,
>>> which is an ultra-fine linearly sructured honeycomb of ceramics. Gets
>>> quite hot there. Right place for anything chemical to crack up there.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am guessing what you are calling a particle filter is what we refer
>> to as a catalytic converter. I didn't realize diesels had catalytic
>> converters. I know gas powered cars in the US do.
>
>
> I believe it is different. It is a ceramic "honeycomb" structure
> consisting of a multitude of parallel microtubes. Their walls are so
> fine that you overlook them when looking straight through, only thing
> you notice is that all you see is blurred by diffraction.
>
> It is meant to filter out diesel combustion dust, or at least modify the
> size of the particles blown out.
>
> They are thinking about real catalytic filters for diesels here, but
> these require some active heating, afaik.

Perhaps. Just your description matches the catalytic converters in the
US. I know the catalytic converters get quite hot also and there have
been cases where cars have pulled off the road into a grassy area and it
ended up setting the grass on fire.

Matthias Voss wrote:

> dazed and confuzzed wrote:
>
>> Matthias Voss wrote:
>>
>>> nitespark wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Matthias Voss wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> But what worries me, is the amount of acid gasses my VW T4
>>>>> TurboDiesel expels. It is very irritant to the lungs.
>>>>> I have this car since 2004, and in the same year my GF suffered
>>>>> from a lung edema in diving as well, after we had driven 15000 km
>>>>> through Spain, France, Italy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would not think this to be a factor unless you did a considerable
>>>> amount of idling, such as in heavy stop & go traffic where it could
>>>> be blown back into the passenger compartment, or the exhaust is
>>>> configured in so a way as to not get it away from the passenger
>>>> compartment adequately. Have you checked the integrity of the
>>>> exhaust system?
>>>> I would have thought you would get more exhaust from the vehicle(s)
>>>> in front of you than from your own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quite right... Still, when my workshop was unable to do something
>>> about it, a friend looked at the rear door, whichs swings vertically,
>>> and found out that the closing loop-strap was so long that it
>>> interfered with the door's rubber seal.
>>> We shortened it, which made things better.
>>> Still, when idling, windows open, you feel it.
>>>
>>> I saw other cars (turbo-diesels with particle filter) expel the same
>>> irritating gas, or vapours.
>>>
>>> It smells like sulfuric dioxide, or trichlorethylen subjected to
>>> ultraviolett light.
>>>
>>> Wonder what it is.
>>>
>>> Matthias
>>>
>> Switch to biodiesel or Waste Veggie Oil (WVO) blends.
>
>
> I did once, the smell goes away.

So most of what you are smelling is sulfur. Very little sulfur in
biodiesel.
But in cold weather, the engine is a
> bit rough. They say, engines don't last that long with it. At least the
> direct injection high power ones.


>
> I also thought about switching to unprocessed veggie oil. It is on the
> big run with trucks here.
> But you need a separate tank for the warmup and shutdown times of the
> engine with diesel, and a heater for the crude stuff.

I use WVO/diesel blends in the summer, but straight diesel in the
winter. If you have the space to do the blending, it saves big money.


>
> Matthias
>


--
“TANSTAAFL”

”it’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees”
__________________________________________________ __________________________
"A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences." - Proverbs 22:3

"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast_remove.net> wrote in message
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> Matthias Voss wrote:
> > nitespark wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Matthias Voss wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> But what worries me, is the amount of acid gasses my VW T4
> >>> TurboDiesel expels. It is very irritant to the lungs.
> >>> I have this car since 2004, and in the same year my GF suffered from
> >>> a lung edema in diving as well, after we had driven 15000 km through
> >>> Spain, France, Italy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I would not think this to be a factor unless you did a considerable
> >> amount of idling, such as in heavy stop & go traffic where it could
> >> be blown back into the passenger compartment, or the exhaust is
> >> configured in so a way as to not get it away from the passenger
> >> compartment adequately. Have you checked the integrity of the exhaust
> >> system?
> >> I would have thought you would get more exhaust from the vehicle(s) in
> >> front of you than from your own.
> >
> >
> > Quite right... Still, when my workshop was unable to do something about
> > it, a friend looked at the rear door, whichs swings vertically, and
> > found out that the closing loop-strap was so long that it interfered
> > with the door's rubber seal.
> > We shortened it, which made things better.
> > Still, when idling, windows open, you feel it.
> >
> > I saw other cars (turbo-diesels with particle filter) expel the same
> > irritating gas, or vapours.
> >
> > It smells like sulfuric dioxide, or trichlorethylen subjected to
> > ultraviolett light.
> >
> > Wonder what it is.
> >
> > Matthias
> >
> Switch to biodiesel or Waste Veggie Oil (WVO) blends.
>

I got stuck behind a veggie oil powered car once in traffic. By the time I
could get away from it, I had to stop at the next McDonalds and I bought 5
large orders of fries. When we get 20 or 30 thousand of those on the road,
I'll have to put a microwave in the car so I can heat up a snack on the
drive home from work!