Target: youtube

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionaln...tim_arango.htm

You know, I have always wondered about this - how youtube, video.google, and
the rest were getting away with enabling breaking copyright laws. I have
looked at quite a few on line videos and dive videos and there are Pirates
of the Caribbean movie background music, commercially produced new age and
love song music, television theme music, and so on. Not to mention, movie
and television clips.

Copyright laws are easy, if you don't own the rights to to a song, video, or
film, you have to get permission to show it. If you don't or can't get
permission and put it out there on the web, you could be opening up yourself
to a lawsuit.

When I started posting videos to Google video, they had people screening the
videos for copyright infringement. I guess so many people were posting that
they backed off to that if someone complains, they will take the video down.

My first video, I thought some commercially produced music (Vangelis) would
be perfect for my video and contacted EMI Music Publishing for permission to
use it. They sent me a one word email, "NO". So that was that.

Now the video and pictures you shoot are yours and you can do what you want
with them (though you may have to get people or location releases). But, if
you don't produce the music, well, you just need to hope that the producer
or title holder doesn't come after you.

I know it is stifling creativity, but it is what it is.

Thus spake "Marshall Karp" <marshallkarp@hotmail.com> :

> http://www.nypost.com/news/regionaln...tim_arango.htm
>
>You know, I have always wondered about this - how youtube, video.google, and
>the rest were getting away with enabling breaking copyright laws. I have
>looked at quite a few on line videos and dive videos and there are Pirates
>of the Caribbean movie background music, commercially produced new age and
>love song music, television theme music, and so on. Not to mention, movie
>and television clips.
>
>Copyright laws are easy, if you don't own the rights to to a song, video, or
>film, you have to get permission to show it. If you don't or can't get
>permission and put it out there on the web, you could be opening up yourself
>to a lawsuit.
>
>When I started posting videos to Google video, they had people screening the
>videos for copyright infringement. I guess so many people were posting that
>they backed off to that if someone complains, they will take the video down.
>
>My first video, I thought some commercially produced music (Vangelis) would
>be perfect for my video and contacted EMI Music Publishing for permission to
>use it. They sent me a one word email, "NO". So that was that.
>
>Now the video and pictures you shoot are yours and you can do what you want
>with them (though you may have to get people or location releases). But, if
>you don't produce the music, well, you just need to hope that the producer
>or title holder doesn't come after you.
>
>I know it is stifling creativity, but it is what it is.
>

I'm an IP owner. Copyright and patent laws are my friends.
--
dillon

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address, email me and I'll explain it.

Marshall Karp wrote:
> http://www.nypost.com/news/regionaln...tim_arango.htm
>
> You know, I have always wondered about this - how youtube, video.google, and
> the rest were getting away with enabling breaking copyright laws. I have
> looked at quite a few on line videos and dive videos and there are Pirates
> of the Caribbean movie background music, commercially produced new age and
> love song music, television theme music, and so on. Not to mention, movie
> and television clips.
>
> Copyright laws are easy, if you don't own the rights to to a song, video, or
> film, you have to get permission to show it. If you don't or can't get
> permission and put it out there on the web, you could be opening up yourself
> to a lawsuit.
>
> When I started posting videos to Google video, they had people screening the
> videos for copyright infringement. I guess so many people were posting that
> they backed off to that if someone complains, they will take the video down.
>
> My first video, I thought some commercially produced music (Vangelis) would
> be perfect for my video and contacted EMI Music Publishing for permission to
> use it. They sent me a one word email, "NO". So that was that.
>
> Now the video and pictures you shoot are yours and you can do what you want
> with them (though you may have to get people or location releases). But, if
> you don't produce the music, well, you just need to hope that the producer
> or title holder doesn't come after you.
>
> I know it is stifling creativity, but it is what it is.

I'm curious how this is going to work out with people from around the
world using these services - copyright laws vary country to country.
Here (Canada) we have fair-use clauses which allow us greater leeway in
the use of copyright materials which we've bought. I'm not sure if that
would extend to posting music in a video to the net (file-sharing is
quasi-legal, so the video thing might be OK too). They might remove it
from youtube, but I don't know if they could do anything to you personally.

And what if youtube moved to a country with few, or no, copyright laws.
I'd bet there's some of those out there...

Bryan

Bryan Heit wrote:
> I'm curious how this is going to work out with people from around the
> world using these services - copyright laws vary country to country.
> Here (Canada) we have fair-use clauses which allow us greater leeway in
> the use of copyright materials which we've bought. I'm not sure if that
> would extend to posting music in a video to the net (file-sharing is
> quasi-legal, so the video thing might be OK too). They might remove it
> from youtube, but I don't know if they could do anything to you personally.
>
> Bryan

I used to be the abuse dept for a web provider and dealt with the
digital copyright act on a number of occasions. All they do is send a
demand that the customer take down the copyright infringing material,
or we need to shut down their website if the customer doesn't comply.

Randy R

Randy R wrote:
> Bryan Heit wrote:
>> I'm curious how this is going to work out with people from around the
>> world using these services - copyright laws vary country to country.
>> Here (Canada) we have fair-use clauses which allow us greater leeway in
>> the use of copyright materials which we've bought. I'm not sure if that
>> would extend to posting music in a video to the net (file-sharing is
>> quasi-legal, so the video thing might be OK too). They might remove it
>> from youtube, but I don't know if they could do anything to you personally.
>>
>> Bryan
>
> I used to be the abuse dept for a web provider and dealt with the
> digital copyright act on a number of occasions. All they do is send a
> demand that the customer take down the copyright infringing material,
> or we need to shut down their website if the customer doesn't comply.
>
> Randy R
>

Which works if the server is in the US. But if there was enough
lawsuits I could see a lot of these services moving to other countries.
Digital copyright act, and whatever they call the international
version of it, aren't law here in Canada.

Bryan

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message news:eemc0b$8lj$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
> Randy R wrote:
> > Bryan Heit wrote:
> >> I'm curious how this is going to work out with people from around the
> >> world using these services - copyright laws vary country to country.
> >> Here (Canada) we have fair-use clauses which allow us greater leeway in
> >> the use of copyright materials which we've bought. I'm not sure if that
> >> would extend to posting music in a video to the net (file-sharing is
> >> quasi-legal, so the video thing might be OK too). They might remove it
> >> from youtube, but I don't know if they could do anything to you personally.
> >>
> >> Bryan
> >
> > I used to be the abuse dept for a web provider and dealt with the
> > digital copyright act on a number of occasions. All they do is send a
> > demand that the customer take down the copyright infringing material,
> > or we need to shut down their website if the customer doesn't comply.
> >
> > Randy R
> >
>
> Which works if the server is in the US. But if there was enough
> lawsuits I could see a lot of these services moving to other countries.
> Digital copyright act, and whatever they call the international
> version of it, aren't law here in Canada.
>
> Bryan

At which point the ISP could (possibly) be required to ban those URLs and Americans would not be
able to access the sites. You've really got to love freedom.

Chris Guynn wrote:
>> Which works if the server is in the US. But if there was enough
>> lawsuits I could see a lot of these services moving to other countries.
>> Digital copyright act, and whatever they call the international
>> version of it, aren't law here in Canada.
>>
>> Bryan
>
> At which point the ISP could (possibly) be required to ban those URLs and Americans would not be
> able to access the sites. You've really got to love freedom.
>
>

Has this ever happened in the US? I was under the impression there was
a lot of problems implementing these sorts of things (as in it's pretty
much impossible), hence why it is so difficult to block kiddie porn
pages, download sites, etc.

Bryan

"Bryan Heit" <bjheit@NOSPAMucalgary.ca> wrote in message news:een0me$hde$1@news.ucalgary.ca...
> Chris Guynn wrote:
> >> Which works if the server is in the US. But if there was enough
> >> lawsuits I could see a lot of these services moving to other countries.
> >> Digital copyright act, and whatever they call the international
> >> version of it, aren't law here in Canada.
> >>
> >> Bryan
> >
> > At which point the ISP could (possibly) be required to ban those URLs and Americans would not be
> > able to access the sites. You've really got to love freedom.
> >
> >
>
> Has this ever happened in the US? I was under the impression there was
> a lot of problems implementing these sorts of things (as in it's pretty
> much impossible), hence why it is so difficult to block kiddie porn
> pages, download sites, etc.
>
> Bryan

It would be a really tough thing to do. I'd put it right up there with wiping out drugs and
terrorism. Our government should love the thought.