Re: Score!!!

"Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
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> "Bryan Heit" <bjheit@nospamucalgary.ca> wrote in message

> You're a smart guy, Brian, but you don't know fuckall about guns and gun
> control.

Let's see if you can educate yourself, Brian.

Others here can't.

Please read my "highlights" (and the article, of course), and then justify
your gun registry to us.

This article says the gun registry precipitates confiscation, has done
nothing to decrease crime, has taken funds from legitimate law enforcement,
and has targeted gun owners, precisely, for criminals:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_gun_registry

It was argued that the registry would not make Canadians safer and that it
was only a step on the way to the confiscation of all guns in Canada. Small
scale confiscations of some firearms after the registry took effect and
Prime Minister Paul Martin's 2006 election promise of a national ban on
handguns seems to have confirmed this fear.

While the legislation is still in place, as of May 17, 2006, the government
is no longer asking long gun owners for a registration fee and will not
prosecute long gun owners who do not register at all. [1]

The Conservative Party of Canada claims to remain committed to scrapping the
registry. Their reasoning is that if the same amount of money was invested
in expanding the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) force instead of
requiring gun registration, far more lives would be saved.

Former RCMP Commissioner Norm Inkster stated in the National Post on 14
December 2004 that "the registry does little or nothing to help police link
actual crimes to actual guns". Former Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino
pointed out the registry hasn't helped Toronto police solve a single
homicide and "has been of precious little help". Retired Assistant
Commissioner Robert Head - a life member of the CACP - called the gun
registry "the greatest waste of law enforcement funds that has ever been
inflicted on the Canadian taxpayer". Borden-Carlton Police Chief Jamie Fox
called the registry "...a massive waste of tax dollars that could have been
spent on health care and other pressing social needs." London Police Chief
Brian Collins said "It's such a disaster."

Registry not shown to affect public safety

The auditor general's report also found that there is a lack of evidence to
support the effectiveness of the gun registry, or to prove that it is
meeting its stated goal of improving public safety.

"The performance report focuses on activities such as issuing licences and
registering firearms. The Centre does not show how these activities help
minimize risks to public safety with evidence-based outcomes such as reduced
deaths, injuries and threats from firearms," the report said.[4]

the gun registration is seen by many as a waste of tax-payers money as it
does nothing to prevent crimes. In fact, 86% of firearms used in homicides
are unregistered and 80% of the murderers were unlicenced firearm owners.
[5] Only 7 million of the 16.5 million guns in Canada that are known by the
government to exist have been registered, this of course does not include
the number of illegal guns smuggled from the USA.[6] If a criminal was
planning to use a firearm in committing a crime, all they would need to do
is not register the weapon, this would effectively render the gun registry
useless in that criminal case.

O.P.P Commissioner Julian Fantino is opposed to the gun registry, stating in
a press release "We have an ongoing gun crisis including firearms-related
homicides lately in Toronto, and a law registering firearms has neither
deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them. None of the guns we
know to have been used were registered, although we believe that more than
half of them were smuggled into Canada from the United States. The firearms
registry is long on philosophy and short on practical results considering
the money could be more effectively used for security against terrorism as
well as a host of other public safety initiatives." [7]

Also, Gary Mauser, a member of the Fraser Institute and professor at Simon
Fraser University in British Columbia, has stated "The handguns being
misused are illegal. Nobody thinks banning guns will stop violent crime, and
there is no empirical support for gun controls working," [8]

Alleged mis-use of the registry
Recently, several gun collectors have had their collections stolen,
including antique pistols and rifles. Some are suggesting that the gun
registry (both long gun and hand gun registries) have been hacked and are
now serving as a "hit list", giving criminals a road map to all the guns in
Canada. Advocates of the registry are saying that street gangs are not
computer-savvy enough to hack the registry, yet they have not addressed the
possibility that organized crime may be involved in these recent robberies.
[9][10][11]

Security
John Hicks, an Orillia-area computer consultant, and webmaster for the
Canadian Firearms Centre, has said that anyone with a home computer could
have easily accessed names, addresses and detailed shopping lists (including
make, model and serial number) of registered guns belonging to licensed
firearms owners. Hicks told the Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters
(OFAH) that "During my tenure as the CFC webmaster I duly informed
management that the website that interfaced to the firearms registry was
flawed. It took some $15 million to develop and I broke it inside of about
30 minutes."

The Ontario Federation of Anglers and Hunters questioned the security of the
gun registry after a home invasion that seemed to target a licensed gun
collector. The OFAH argues that, in the wrong hands, a database detailing
the whereabouts of every legally-owned firearm in Canada is a potential
shopping list for criminals.
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So Brian, are you actually open-minded?

Or do you still argue that "registering" guns doesn't lead to confiscation
("ludicrous!"), and will somehow make you "safer"?

Please point out the advantages of the registry.

--
Popeye
"Best thing for him, really, his therapy was
going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector.

www.finalprotectivefire.com

"Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
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>
> So Brian, are you actually open-minded?
>
> Or do you still argue that "registering" guns doesn't lead to
confiscation
> ("ludicrous!"), and will somehow make you "safer"?
>
> Please point out the advantages of the registry.

Ahh...the key thing is "They Did Something - They Tried".
It doesn't matter if it actually solves the problem, or would ever be an
effective solution.
Only the intent matters.

Dennis

"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojunkmail@ever.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Douglas W "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
> message news:12vd05r1ni1ai90@news.supernews.com...
>>
> <snip>
>>
>> So Brian, are you actually open-minded?
>>
>> Or do you still argue that "registering" guns doesn't lead to
> confiscation
>> ("ludicrous!"), and will somehow make you "safer"?
>>
>> Please point out the advantages of the registry.
>
> Ahh...the key thing is "They Did Something - They Tried".
> It doesn't matter if it actually solves the problem, or would ever be an
> effective solution.
> Only the intent matters.


Maybe a few more billion...

--
Popeye
"Best thing for him, really, his therapy was
going nowhere." -Dr. Hannibal Lector.

www.finalprotectivefire.com