OT Canadian Gun Control

Bjórrúnar skaltu Crownfield rista --

> my statistical world shows that
> 100% of the time that you call 911,
> you will get a busy message. (4 out of 4)

Like I said, it's obvious that you don't know how to conduct
research or how statistics actually work.

Why don't you identify a single city where the average police
emergency response time is greater than the average pizza
delivery time.

I'll bet you'll come up blank.

Carl Nisarel wrote:
>
> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>
> > I have *never*, in my 44 years, seen a police response in 5
> > minutes.
>
> Your experience is not a representative sample.
>
> Try learning how to do real statistics.

so what you are saying is that
we really know by statistics that police get there in 5 minutes,
but when you need them, you may not get them in real world.
but statistically they will be there.

my statistical world shows that
100% of the time that you call 911,
you will get a busy message. (4 out of 4)

Bjórrúnar skaltu Crownfield rista --

> "The response time of Los Angeles Police Department officers
> has gone up from 6.8 minutes in 1997 to 8.1 minutes"

The data is a few years old.

So, tell me, how many pizza delivery places in Los Angeles
deliver in less than 8 minutes?

Carl Nisarel wrote:
>
> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>
> > "Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in
> >> Bjórrúnar skaltu Dillon Pyron rista --
> >>
> >> > "As an experiment, call the police, call an ambulance
> >> > and call Domino's. You can split what's left of the
> >> > pizza with the ambulance crew while you wait for the
> >> > cops."
> >>
> >> It's a bad experiment. Most anywhere in the US, the police
> >> response time for a serious incident is less than 5
> >> minutes.
> >
> > Cite.
>
> The emergency response time for most major cities is a matter
> of public record. Look them up.

"It was estimated by both information sources that virtually any
residence in Los Angeles County can be reached by an ambulance in about
20 minutes, which is the accepted standard."

"The response time of Los Angeles Police Department officers
has gone up from 6.8 minutes in 1997 to 8.1 minutes"

"department is striving to meet the City Council-Mayor-established
standard of 7/40, meaning seven minutes response time to emergency calls
and spending 40 percent..."

>
> In my experience, usenet posters who run around screaming
> 'CITE!' are also the type who refuse to produce them on their
> own and refuse to believe it when it is produced.

"Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns953890B7AED5Ahostlbuddha@130.133.1.4...
> Bjórrúnar skaltu Crownfield rista --
>
> > I am beginning to uderstand you better.
> > all direct evidence is not representative,
>
> All one has to do is look at the police stats for any
> jurisdiction or read the various studies on the subject.
>
> Los Angeles Police respond in an average of 7 minutes to
> emergency calls.
>
> Washington DC police respond in an average of 8 minutes.
>
> Des Moines, Iowa average emergency response time is 3:48
>
> There are very, very few cities where the police emergency
> response time is more than 20 minutes and nearly none where
> it is above 30 minutes.

That's funny. We had a guy walk up to our door yesterday, use our phone to
report a kid with a machete swinging it at people in the nearby park.

35 minutes later, the cop called back and asked if the complainant was still
there.

>From: Carl Nisarel hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk
>Date: 8/1/2004 2:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Xns953890B7AED5Ahostlbuddha@130.133.1.4>
>
>Bjórrúnar skaltu Crownfield rista --
>
>> I am beginning to uderstand you better.
>> all direct evidence is not representative,
>
>All one has to do is look at the police stats for any
>jurisdiction or read the various studies on the subject.
>
>Los Angeles Police respond in an average of 7 minutes to
>emergency calls.

I'm sure it's possible that they actually claim that.

And I'm positive you believe it.


Popeye
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice
letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --

>
> "Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in
>> Bjórrúnar skaltu Crownfield rista --
>>
>> > I am beginning to uderstand you better.
>> > all direct evidence is not representative,
>>
>> All one has to do is look at the police stats for any
>> jurisdiction or read the various studies on the subject.
>>
>> Los Angeles Police respond in an average of 7 minutes to
>> emergency calls.
>>
>> Washington DC police respond in an average of 8 minutes.
>>
>> Des Moines, Iowa average emergency response time is 3:48
>>
>> There are very, very few cities where the police emergency
>> response time is more than 20 minutes and nearly none
>> where it is above 30 minutes.
>
> That's funny. We had a guy walk up to our door yesterday,
> use our phone to report a kid with a machete swinging it at
> people in the nearby park.
>
> 35 minutes later, the cop called back and asked if the
> complainant was still there.

N=1

Why do you think your unverified anecdotes are legitimate?

"Popeye NCAT3" <buzcutt454@aol.comByteMe> wrote in message
news:20040801145011.04811.00001829@mb-m24.aol.com...

> >Society can and does.
>
> How grossly incorrect.
>
> Your society can't even -begin- to guarantee consequences for the taking
of
> ones' life, let alone protect it.

Which is why if I call the cops, they dont get there soon enough, and
someone in my family is killed, I can sue the cops and society for failing
to protect me and mine.

As I recall, the police have no obligation to protect.

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:08:07 -0500, "Grumman-581"
<grumman581-YYYY-MM@charter.net> wrote:

>"Scott" wrote ...
>> I have *never*, in my 44 years, seen a police response in 5 minutes.
>
>No donut shops nearby?

A few months ago, we saw no less than 5 police cars at a local
doughnut shop. Best protected shop in town.

Taking a back road home one night this spring, a cop gave me a
speeding ticket. I was passing someone and had the balls to speed up
to do it. That's against the law, even though he was oncoming and saw
me passing. According to him, if I went the speed limit while
passing, we'd both have been killed, but I'd be within the law. I'll
be in court this month to fight it.

I'd rather the traffic cops stayed at the doughnut shops. In fact,
drop some traffic cops and hire more real cops. Most traffic cops are
just armed tax collectors.

---
Mike from Ottawa

"Carl Nisarel" wrote ...
> > And your assertion that police response time is 5 minutes
> > or less tells me you are full of shit,
>
> Feel free to produce statistics to the contrary.

Statistics showing that you are not full of shit? Hmmm... Might be
difficult...