Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

>From: "Adam Helberg" sendspamhere@yahoo.com

>The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
>everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.

By disarming the law abiding first (for a generation or more), under the
illusion you can control guns amid the criminal element.

A fool's errand at the very least.


Popeye
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice
letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

Adam Helberg wrote:
>
> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:410AB8F3.669A@cox.net...
> > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > >
> > > "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:410A8A8C.5FEF@cox.net...
> > > > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> > > > > > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message
> > > news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > > > > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > > > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > > > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > > > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Cam
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > got what backwards?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > > > > > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > > > > > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cam
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not
> just
> > > in
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals
> get
> > > the
> > > > > > > guns there and use them elsewhere,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > lets look at that carefully.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> > > > > > have you checked that out?
> > > > > > try buying a handgun out of state.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > > > > > > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more
> difficult
> > > for
> > > > > > > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adam
> > > > >
> > > > > If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a
> gun
> > > there
> > > > > legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why
> not?
> > > >
> > > > you are loudly declaring how easy it is to do this,
> > > > and even as you do it,
> > > > you have not a teeny tiny clue about whether it is even possible.
> > > >
> > > > Adam, you really need to know what the hell you are talking about
> > > > before you explain it to others.
> > > >
> > > > in a fact packed essay, showing us your understanding of the applicable
> > > > laws,
> > > > tell us what laws apply to criminals buying handguns.
> > > >
> > > > you will be scored on how accurate your answers are.
> > >
> > > Why don't you explain how illegal guns get to places like NYC?
> > > Are they beamed there from outer space?
> >
> > "in a fact packed essay,
> > "showing us your understanding of the applicable laws,"
> > "you will be scored on how accurate your answers are."
> >
> > we conclude that you know nothing.
> > sorry adam, on the test
> > you scored a 00.00 out of a possible 100.
> > you are now on double secret probation
>
> Right you've proven it. You have this incredible knowldege but it's all very profound
> and very secret..

you need to look for it. it is very easy to find.

not secret. actually it is all around you.
that whooossshhhing sound for the last few days
is people who did know telling you about it,
but it went waaay over your head.

what is surprising is
that you are telling people how easy is is
to illegally buy and transport firearms,
that you know nothing at all about the subject,
and you have never even made a tiny effort
to understand the subject before you explain it to others.

for you to do that is really shallow and illogical.

if you do not do your homework, you flunk. simple.
lazy people who do not know what they are talking about
do not deserve to pass.

Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --

> *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.

For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
limited number of laws.

As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will comply
with gun laws.

"Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns9537864B2B045hostlbuddha@130.133.1.4...
> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>
> > *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.
>
> For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
> limited number of laws.

So, which laws do you consider breakable?

> As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will comply
> with gun laws.

Sure, a lot do because they don't want to go back to prison.

The other segment will use guns and commit murder because they don't want to
go back to prison.

Your arguments are not only flaccid, but ridiculous.

>From: Carl Nisarel hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk
>Date: 7/31/2004 1:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Xns9537864B2B045hostlbuddha@130.133.1.4>
>
>Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>
>> *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.
>
>For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
>limited number of laws.

Check, hence them being criminals.

>As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will comply
>with gun laws.

Check, convicted felons being forthright about weapons they use.

What a rube.


Popeye
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice
letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --

>
> "Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in

>> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>>
>> > *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.
>>
>> For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
>> limited number of laws.
>
> So, which laws do you consider breakable?

That's a non-sequitur.


>> As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will
>> comply with gun laws.
>
> Sure, a lot do because they don't want to go back to
> prison.

Wright & Rossi's research examined what criminals did before
they went to prison.



....

Bjórrúnar skaltu Popeye NCAT3 rista --

>>As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will
>>comply with gun laws.
>
> Check, convicted felons being forthright about weapons
> they use.

Wright and Rossi's work is considered pro-gun and is cited by
nearly all pro-gun lobby organizations.

"Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns9538886533414hostlbuddha@130.133.1.4...
> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
>
> >
> > "Carl Nisarel" <hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk> wrote in
>
> >> Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --
> >>
> >> > *CRIMINALS* don't obey laws.
> >>
> >> For the most part, they do. Criminals usually break only a
> >> limited number of laws.
> >
> > So, which laws do you consider breakable?
>
> That's a non-sequitur.

<plonk>

>From: Carl Nisarel hostlbuddha@postmaster.co.uk
>Date: 8/1/2004 1:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <Xns9538895313220hostlbuddha@130.133.1.4>
>
>Bjórrúnar skaltu Popeye NCAT3 rista --
>
>>>As Wright and Rossi noted, many convicted felons will
>>>comply with gun laws.
>>
>> Check, convicted felons being forthright about weapons
>> they use.
>
>Wright and Rossi's work is considered pro-gun and is cited by
>nearly all pro-gun lobby organizations.


Check, convicted felons being forthright about weapons
they use.


Popeye
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice
letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

Bjórrúnar skaltu Scott rista --

> <plonk>

That's the sign of someone who can't support his assertions and
would prefer to run away from reality.