Re: OT Canadian Gun Control

Joe English wrote:
> cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > Joe English wrote...
> > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > You've got that backwards
> >
> > Cam
> >
> got what backwards?

Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
murder. Gun control was a response.

Cam

cam.barr@beer.com wrote:

> Joe English wrote:
>
>>cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
>>
>>>Joe English wrote...
>>>We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
>>>strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
>>>You've got that backwards
>>>
>>>Cam
>>>
>>
>>got what backwards?
>
>
> Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> murder. Gun control was a response.
>
> Cam
>
ANd it did nothing to curb the high murder rate. The stricter gun
controls did nothig to stop crimes using guns. Our nation's capitol has
the some of the nations strictest gun controls in place, yet
did/does/won't do anything to stop the crimes.

<cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
>
> Joe English wrote:
> > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > Joe English wrote...
> > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > You've got that backwards
> > >
> > > Cam
> > >
> > got what backwards?
>
> Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> murder. Gun control was a response.
>
> Cam

Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in some
cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
guns there and use them elsewhere, while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.

Adam

Adam Helberg wrote:
>
> <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> >
> > Joe English wrote:
> > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > You've got that backwards
> > > >
> > > > Cam
> > > >
> > > got what backwards?
> >
> > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > murder. Gun control was a response.
> >
> > Cam
>
> Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in some
> cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
> guns there and use them elsewhere,

lets look at that carefully.

you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
have you checked that out?
try buying a handgun out of state.


> while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
> everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>
> Adam

"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> Adam Helberg wrote:
> >
> > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > >
> > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > >
> > > > > Cam
> > > > >
> > > > got what backwards?
> > >
> > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > >
> > > Cam
> >
> > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in
some
> > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
> > guns there and use them elsewhere,
>
> lets look at that carefully.
>
> you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> have you checked that out?
> try buying a handgun out of state.
>
>
> > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
> > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> >
> > Adam

If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun there
legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?

Adam

"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9wjOc.2818$9Y6.276@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
<snip>

> Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not
just in some
> cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals
get the
> guns there and use them elsewhere, while the law abiding cannot get guns,
which is
> not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more
difficult for
> everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.

As evidenced by the prominence of gun related crimes in areas with strict
gun control (like Canada) near gun infested places (like America).

>
> Adam
>
>

"Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snip>

> If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy
a gun there
> legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why
not?

It's easy for someonewho lives in the area with access to guns to get one
and take it somewhere else. It is MUCH more difficult for someone from NY
city to come to Texas, purchase a gun, and then go back to NY City.

>
> Adam
>
>

"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote in message
news:sesOc.22040$l61.7571@newssvr23.news.prodigy.c om...
>
> "Adam Helberg" <sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9wjOc.2818$9Y6.276@newsread1.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> <snip>
>
> > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not
> just in some
> > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals
> get the
> > guns there and use them elsewhere, while the law abiding cannot get guns,
> which is
> > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more
> difficult for
> > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>
> As evidenced by the prominence of gun related crimes in areas with strict
> gun control (like Canada) near gun infested places (like America).

I'm sure there are lots of guns smuggled into Canada from the US to become illegal
weapons and used in crime. And were it not for the US the Canadian gun violence would
be much lower than it is now. But it is still problematic to bring guns across the
border and pass through customs; much more difficult than taking guns from Texas to
NYC.

Adam

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 05:23:48 GMT, "Adam Helberg"
<sendspamhere@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
>> Adam Helberg wrote:
>> >
>> > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
>> > >
>> > > Joe English wrote:
>> > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
>> > > > > Joe English wrote...
>> > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
>> > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
>> > > > > You've got that backwards
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cam
>> > > > >
>> > > > got what backwards?
>> > >
>> > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
>> > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
>> > > murder. Gun control was a response.
>> > >
>> > > Cam
>> >
>> > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in
>some
>> > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
>> > guns there and use them elsewhere,
>>
>> lets look at that carefully.
>>
>> you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
>> have you checked that out?
>> try buying a handgun out of state.
>>
>>
>> > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
>> > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
>> > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
>> >
>> > Adam
>
>If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun there
>legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?
>
>Adam
>

Because I can't go to, say Arkansas and legally buy a handgun. And I
can't go to, say Nevada, and buy any gun (handgun or long gun).

Part of the Gun Control Act of 1968.
--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

Adam Helberg wrote:
>
> "Crownfield" <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote in message news:4109CE5A.3B06@cox.net...
> > Adam Helberg wrote:
> > >
> > > <cam.barr@beer.com> wrote in message news:cebjts$ufr@odbk17.prod.google.com...
> > > >
> > > > Joe English wrote:
> > > > > cam.barr@beer.com wrote:
> > > > > > Joe English wrote...
> > > > > > We seem to see the highest murder rates where gun control is the
> > > > > > strongest, like NYC, Detroit, Chicago, LA...
> > > > > > You've got that backwards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cam
> > > > > >
> > > > > got what backwards?
> > > >
> > > > Gun Control is strongest in areas where murder rates were already
> > > > higher. You seemed to suggest that gun control was the cause of the
> > > > murder. Gun control was a response.
> > > >
> > > > Cam
> > >
> > > Besides, for gun control to work it has to be throughout the nation not just in
> some
> > > cities or states. When there is an area with lax gun cotrol the criminals get the
> > > guns there and use them elsewhere,
> >
> > lets look at that carefully.
> >
> > you are saying to just go to any state and get guns easily?
> > have you checked that out?
> > try buying a handgun out of state.
> >
> >
> > > while the law abiding cannot get guns, which is
> > > not what we want. The principle of gun control is to make guns more difficult for
> > > everyone to get, decreasing the total pool of guns.
> > >
> > > Adam
>
> If there is an area with liberal gun laws it's easy for a criminal to buy a gun there
> legally and bring it to an area like NY City to become an illegal gun, why not?

you are loudly declaring how easy it is to do this,
and even as you do it,
you have not a teeny tiny clue about whether it is even possible.

Adam, you really need to know what the hell you are talking about
before you explain it to others.

in a fact packed essay, showing us your understanding of the applicable
laws,
tell us what laws apply to criminals buying handguns.

you will be scored on how accurate your answers are.



> Adam