Re: Bush approval rating slumps to all-time low

"Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Scott said :
>
> Where you get that I said to deny the beginnings of help to those in
> need is
> one additional question; you are putting words in my mouth.
> ----------------------------
>
> Here's the exchange. I was talking very specifically about Katrina.
> Lee Bell understood that I was specific about Katrina because he
> replied about Wilma. Your reply was "And I, for one, would prefer
> people learn to take care of themselves and stop depending upon the
> government for handouts."
>
> It is this post:
> Newsgroups: rec.scuba
> From: "Scott" <pugetsounddi...@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:57:16 -0800
> "Salty" <babette7...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > Scott said :
> > All my fellow workers, to a man, are glad Bush is in office, and glad
> > we are
> > kicking raghead ass in Iraq.
> > --------------------------
>
> > Really ?? You don't think that you and your fellow workers would be
> > happier to see the funding go to Katrina victims ??
>
> Unfortunately, it isnt that simple.
> It isnt one or the other.
> And I, for one, would prefer people learn to take care of themselves
> and
> stop depending upon the government for handouts.
> -----------------------------
>
> So Scott, what government handouts were you talking about when I was
> talking about Katrina victims ?? Apparently I misunderstood you. Or
> you misunderstood me.
>

Welfare to folks who can work, for starters.

Been reading this group long?

Dennis

"Greg Mossman" wrote in message news:11o00t4dp4ru803@corp.supernews.com...
> It's nice to be on the side that can say "we told
> you so" whenever the latest scandal of dishonesty
> and corruption surfaces.

And I find it nice to be able to say that I've voted for him THREE times...

Greg Mossman wrote:
> "Salty" <babette7401@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132442653.956080.73710@g14g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> > Greg Mossman asked :
> >
> > Did you vote for him either time?
> > ----------------
> >
> > Absolutely not. Nor did I vote for his "daddy".
>
> Good for you. What bugs me are those who complain about him incessantly,
> yet voted for the idiot. It's nice to be on the side that can say "we told
> you so" whenever the latest scandal of dishonesty and corruption surfaces.

Anytime you think there was no conspiricy, just go to Wikipedia and
type in PNAC. It lays it out, names the players and permenantly enters
it into our anthology.

Let our resident fascists scream and whine all they want but there it
is.

"Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Salty wrote:
>
>> Our chances of catching a multimillionaire international terrorist with
>>
>> multimillionaire family and multimillionaire friends, that has his own
>> international terror network (that includes several nations) have
>> nothing to do with stopping terror because his followers will continue
>> his work. They educate their children in their terror plans. Killing
>> them won't do a thing except fuel the hatred for us that their children
>> feel and thus justify their children's actions against us.
>
> And so instead of ridding the world of them, you would prefer they be
> allowed to continue to bomb and kill?

When they do hit here, and they will, drillbucket will be the first one
shouting "why didn't you stop them over there..????"

Anyway, liberal bluster just got shown where the bear shits in the
buckwheat @403 to 3.

Excellent post.

>> Hussein was a target because, as Bush clearly whined like the idiot
>> child that he is, "He tried to kill my daddy."
>
> No. Bone up on some recent Middle East history.
>
>> The reason we invaded Iraq is because Bush was mad about his daddy and
>> it had nothing at all to do with 9-11 since the ppl involved with 9-11
>> were all from Iran, not from Iraq.
>
> I am continually amazed that there are still people who think we
> invaded Iraq because of 9-11. We invaded Iraq because of Saddam's 17+
> violations of a UN-signed cease fire. He shot down a few too many
> planes. We did not like that.
>
>>
>> The reason we invaded Iraq is also to deflect the American public's
>> attention away from the fact that Bush and Cheney have powerful rich
>> friends from Iran who have combined their investments from oil and
>> defense contracts.
>
> No. See above.
>
>>
>> The fact that some ignorant Americans are satisfied by believing that
>> they are getting a 'show' put on for them by their government just
>> speaks to their own stupidity. They are the ones losing their sons and
>> daughters over there. Their kids are being killed.
>
> Odd as you might find it, a good many of those "kids" are there because
> they know what they are doing is right.
>
> <snip>
>
>> Our oil prices went thru the roof this year and its
>> not because of hurricanes, etc. That's an excuse. It's no accident that
>> oil prices rose. Bush got his money from oil. His family owns oil
>> wells in Texas. Connect the god damn dots and wake up.
>
> Then why exactly DID oil prices rise if it is not an accident?
>
> *
>

"Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
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> Anyway, liberal bluster just got shown where the bear shits in the
> buckwheat @403 to 3.

Of course. No one (except for 3) wants to bring them home immediately
because that would certainly be chaotic, which is why this was a lame
Republican stunt. More smoke and mirrors as usual to deflect from the real
picture. Redo the vote with a six month deadline and see how the numbers
come out.

How do you spin Murtha's attitude?

"U.S. Rep. John P. Murtha has dedicated his life to serving his country both
in the military and in the halls of Congress. He had a long and
distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, retiring from the
Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990; and he has been serving the
people of the 12th Congressional District since 1974, one of only 131 people
in the nation's history to have served more than 30 years in the U.S. House
of Representatives and one of only 224 Members of Congress who have served
30 or more years.

"Congressman Murtha is so well-respected for his first-hand knowledge of
military and defense issues that he has been a trusted adviser to presidents
of both parties on military and defense issues and is one of the most
effective advocates for the national defense in the country. He is ranking
member and former chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, a
Vietnam combat veteran and a retired Marine Corps colonel with 37 years of
service, a rare combination of experience that enables him to understand
defense and military operations from every perspective.

"He learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as a raw
recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the
Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country during the
Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, awarded to
fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks to become a
drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for Officer Candidate
School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to the Second Marine
Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, Captain Murtha took command
of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown.
He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he
volunteered for Vietnam in 1966-67, receiving the Bronze Star with Combat
"V", two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. He remained in
the Reserves until his retirement. This first-hand knowledge of military and
defense issues has made him a trusted adviser to presidents of both parties
and one of the most effective advocates for the national defense in
Washington. At the request of Presidents and Speakers of the House, he
served as chairman of delegations monitoring elections in the Philippines,
El Salvador, Panama and Bosnia.

"He was awarded the Navy Distinguished Service Medal by the Marine Corps
Commandant when he retired from the Marines."

Popeye wrote:
> "Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1132451148.746338.170390@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > Salty wrote:
> >
> >> Our chances of catching a multimillionaire international terrorist with
> >>
> >> multimillionaire family and multimillionaire friends, that has his own
> >> international terror network (that includes several nations) have
> >> nothing to do with stopping terror because his followers will continue
> >> his work. They educate their children in their terror plans. Killing
> >> them won't do a thing except fuel the hatred for us that their children
> >> feel and thus justify their children's actions against us.
> >
> > And so instead of ridding the world of them, you would prefer they be
> > allowed to continue to bomb and kill?
>
> When they do hit here, and they will, drillbucket will be the first one
> shouting "why didn't you stop them over there..????"
>
> Anyway, liberal bluster just got shown where the bear shits in the
> buckwheat @403 to 3.

yes, they did. Watching now to see whats next.

> Excellent post.

thank yew, thank yew verry much.

I am sure that my son is proud to cover your back.

*

"Star" <lclee1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > When they do hit here, and they will, drillbucket will be the first
one
> > shouting "why didn't you stop them over there..????"
> >
> > Anyway, liberal bluster just got shown where the bear shits in the
> > buckwheat @403 to 3.
>
> yes, they did. Watching now to see whats next.

All kinds of good stuff is coming out;

For one, it looks like what we all knew was a Democrat witchunt to nail a
scandal, just any scandal, to the Republican administration, has come apart
like a cheap suit, and Scooter Libby will more than likely walk away. Seems
more people in the liberal media knew about Wilsons wife than the
Whitehouse.

And little jewels like this;

Saturday, November 19, 2005

Harry Reid Didn't Read Intel Prewar Report

Harry Reid along with many prominent Democrat Senators did not read the
reports on Saddam's WMDs before the vote on the war.

In an April 7, 2004, article by Dana Priest, the Washington Post reported
that few members of Congress read the full 92-page October 2002 NIE. "No
more than six senators and a handful of House members read beyond the
five-page National Intelligence Estimate executive summary, according to
several congressional aides responsible for safeguarding the classified
material," the Post said.

On the November 13 edition of Fox News Sunday, Sen. Jay Rockefeller
(D.-W.Va.), the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told
host Chris Wallace, "There were only six people in the Senate who did [read
the NIE], and I was one of them. Rockefeller said he was sure that
Intelligence Chairman Pat Roberts (R.-Kan.) had also read it."

Roberts confirmed to me that he had in fact read the report. But it turns
out that Reid did not.

Reid said: "We're talking about six senators. The answer is, if you ask me,
I didnt read it. But I don't know who did. But there's a hundred senators,
not six. And some members of the Intelligence Committee may have read it. I
don't know. But the fact of the matter is you can't escape this, the
administration manipulated the evidence and the people who opposed them,
like Amb. [Joseph] Wilson were taken to the woodshed."

(I guess "the woodshed" is the book deals and interview fees that are making
he and his wife more wealthy.)

Key Democrats who have joined Reid in his campaign to charge the
administration with misleading the country about the Iraq intelligence, also
failed to read the prewar NIE on Iraq. When asked if he had read it, former
presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.) said: "I got briefings. I
got a personal briefing at the Pentagon."

Asked if she had read it, likely 2008 presidential candidate Sen. Hillary
Clinton (D.-N.Y.), said: "I'm not going to say anything about that. Just let
the intelligence committee do their work, okay?"

by Amanda B. Carpenter in Human Events

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...ats_Plan_for_I
raq&only

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
> news:11o1qn05fb49k95@news.supernews.com...
>
>> Anyway, liberal bluster just got shown where the bear shits in the
>> buckwheat @403 to 3.
>
> Of course. No one (except for 3) wants to bring them home immediately
> because that would certainly be chaotic, which is why this was a lame
> Republican stunt. More smoke and mirrors as usual to deflect from the
> real picture. Redo the vote with a six month deadline and see how the
> numbers come out.

With no specific goal other than the six months?

Bring it on.

Then we'll see if your side can get up any backbone this time.

> How do you spin Murtha's attitude?

What about it?

"Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
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>> How do you spin Murtha's attitude?
>
> What about it?

That he's an honest-to-goodness U.S. Marine Corps hero and he wants to bring
the troops back home within 6 months.

"Greg Mossman" <mossman@qnet.com> wrote in message
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> "Popeye" <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in message
> news:11o3os0ekpkac9f@news.supernews.com...
>
>>> How do you spin Murtha's attitude?
>>
>> What about it?
>
> That he's an honest-to-goodness U.S. Marine Corps hero and he wants to
> bring the troops back home within 6 months.

Mainstream:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/...MzBHNlYwM3MDM-

"The public turned against this war before I said it," said Murtha, a key
Democrat on military issues. "The public is emotionally tied into finding a
solution to this thing, and that's what I hope this administration is going
to find out."

Murtha, 73, a decorated Vietnam veteran and the ranking Democrat on the
House Appropriations defense subcommittee, said he has received support from
the public since calling for the troop pullout on Thursday. He spoke at a
news conference after a speech to a civic group in his hometown of
Johnstown, about 60 miles east of Pittsburgh.

He said he has gotten e-mails from World War II veterans and parents of
American soldiers in Iraq.

Murtha, first elected to Congress in 1974, said his great-grandfather served
in the Civil War, his father and three uncles in World War II, and that he
and his brothers were Marines. Murtha said western Pennsylvania, where his
district is located, is a "hotbed of patriotism and they've lost confidence
in this effort."

He said Iraqis must take control of their own destiny.

"We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from
winning," Murtha said.

"The guys in Congress are scared to death to say anything because they might
be vilified," Murtha said. "The soldiers can't speak for themselves. We sent
them to war and, by God, we're the ones that have to speak out."

Murtha said he was unmoved by criticism he's received from President Bush,
others in Congress and the public.

Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, spoke on the House floor Friday about a phone
call she got from a Marine colonel who said, "cowards cut and run, Marines
never do." Asked about it, Murtha called the comment ridiculous.

"You can't spin this. You've got to have a real solution," Murtha said.
"This is not a war of words, this is a war."