USA imitates France

*Associated Press/AP Online

NEWARK, N.J. - Baggage screeners at Newark Liberty
International Airport spotted - and then lost - a fake bomb planted
in luggage by a supervisor during a training exercise.
Despite an hours-long search Tuesday night, the bag,
containing a fake bomb complete with wires, a detonator and a clock,
made it onto an Amsterdam-bound flight. It was recovered by airport
security officials in Amsterdam when the flight landed several hours
later.
"This really underscores the importance of the TSA's
ongoing training exercises," said Ann Davis, a spokeswoman for
the Transportation Security Administration, the agency responsible
for screening passengers and baggage for weapons and explosives.
"At no time did the bag pose a threat and at no time was anyone
in danger."
Earlier this month, French authorities lost a bag containing
real explosives that were being used to train bomb-sniffing dogs.
That led French authorities to prohibit using live explosives in
future tests.
The incident at Newark Liberty International was only the
latest embarrassment for screeners at one of the airports from which
some of the Sept. 11, 2001 hijackers took off.
In October, The Star-Ledger of Newark reported that
screeners missed one in four fake explosives and weapons in secret
weekly tests conducted throughout the summer by TSA agents.
In Tuesday night's test, a TSA supervisor secretly placed
the bomb, which was designed to resemble the plastic explosive
Semtex, inside a bag that was put through screening machines, Davis
said.
A baggage screening machine sounded an alarm, but workers
somehow lost track of the bag, which was then loaded onto a
Continental Airlines flight.
Despite the incident, no flights were delayed and the
terminal remained open.
Davis said the TSA is still investigating how screeners lost
track of the bag.
"It was an error that the bag was not intercepted
before it was loaded," she said, adding it was too soon to say
if anyone would be disciplined for the failure.

"arketipp" <arketipp@donotspam.me> wrote in message
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> *Associated Press/AP Online
>
> NEWARK, N.J. - Baggage screeners at Newark Liberty
> International Airport spotted - and then lost - a fake bomb planted
> in luggage by a supervisor during a training exercise.

<snip>

I think the USA recognizing the possibility of losing the bomb, and so
making it fake, doesn't precisely correlate to France losing actual
explosives in a similar test.

Ramone Cila wrote:

> "arketipp" <arketipp@donotspam.me> wrote in message
> news:41c0b21a$0$11459$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch...
>
>> *Associated Press/AP Online
>>
>>NEWARK, N.J. - Baggage screeners at Newark Liberty
>>International Airport spotted - and then lost - a fake bomb planted
>>in luggage by a supervisor during a training exercise.
>
>
> <snip>
>
> I think the USA recognizing the possibility of losing the bomb, and so
> making it fake, doesn't precisely correlate to France losing actual
> explosives in a similar test.
>
>
Yes a fake bomb.....But... complete with wires, a detonator and a clock,

"arketipp" <arketipp@donotspam.me> wrote in message
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> Ramone Cila wrote:
>
> > "arketipp" <arketipp@donotspam.me> wrote in message
> > news:41c0b21a$0$11459$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch...
> >
> >> *Associated Press/AP Online
> >>
> >>NEWARK, N.J. - Baggage screeners at Newark Liberty
> >>International Airport spotted - and then lost - a fake bomb planted
> >>in luggage by a supervisor during a training exercise.
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > I think the USA recognizing the possibility of losing the bomb, and so
> > making it fake, doesn't precisely correlate to France losing actual
> > explosives in a similar test.
> >
> >
> Yes a fake bomb.....But... complete with wires, a detonator and a clock,

Which if discovered by crooks, crackpots or children would still be a
***fake bomb***.

I don't think the same can be said of France's loss of high explosives and
hence I don't think there is any valid comparison between the two events.

>From: arketipp arketipp@donotspam.me
>Date: 12/15/2004 5:22 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <41c0b91a$0$11463$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch>
>
>Ramone Cila wrote:
>
>> "arketipp" <arketipp@donotspam.me> wrote in message
>> news:41c0b21a$0$11459$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch...
>>
>>> *Associated Press/AP Online
>>>
>>>NEWARK, N.J. - Baggage screeners at Newark Liberty
>>>International Airport spotted - and then lost - a fake bomb planted
>>>in luggage by a supervisor during a training exercise.
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I think the USA recognizing the possibility of losing the bomb, and so
>> making it fake, doesn't precisely correlate to France losing actual
>> explosives in a similar test.
>>
>>
>Yes a fake bomb.....But... complete with wires, a detonator and a clock,

And no explosives...


Popeye
The only working atomic bomb platforms the
Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.

"arketipp" <arketipp@donotspam.me> wrote in message
news:41c0b21a$0$11459$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch...

So when did the French recover the C4 they lost?

arketipp wrote:
> *Associated Press/AP Online
>
> NEWARK, N.J. - Baggage screeners at Newark Liberty
> International Airport spotted - and then lost - a fake bomb planted
> in luggage by a supervisor during a training exercise.
> Despite an hours-long search Tuesday night, the bag,
> containing a fake bomb complete with wires, a detonator and a clock,
> made it onto an Amsterdam-bound flight. It was recovered by airport
> security officials in Amsterdam when the flight landed several hours
> later.
> "This really underscores the importance of the TSA's
> ongoing training exercises," said Ann Davis, a spokeswoman for
> the Transportation Security Administration, the agency responsible
> for screening passengers and baggage for weapons and explosives.
> "At no time did the bag pose a threat and at no time was anyone
> in danger."
> Earlier this month, French authorities lost a bag containing
> real explosives that were being used to train bomb-sniffing dogs.
> That led French authorities to prohibit using live explosives in
> future tests.
> The incident at Newark Liberty International was only the
> latest embarrassment for screeners at one of the airports from which
> some of the Sept. 11, 2001 hijackers took off.
> In October, The Star-Ledger of Newark reported that
> screeners missed one in four fake explosives and weapons in secret
> weekly tests conducted throughout the summer by TSA agents.
> In Tuesday night's test, a TSA supervisor secretly placed
> the bomb, which was designed to resemble the plastic explosive
> Semtex, inside a bag that was put through screening machines, Davis
> said.
> A baggage screening machine sounded an alarm, but workers
> somehow lost track of the bag, which was then loaded onto a
> Continental Airlines flight.
> Despite the incident, no flights were delayed and the
> terminal remained open.
> Davis said the TSA is still investigating how screeners lost
> track of the bag.
> "It was an error that the bag was not intercepted
> before it was loaded," she said, adding it was too soon to say
> if anyone would be disciplined for the failure.
>
touche'

Ramone Cila wrote:

>>
>>Yes a fake bomb.....But... complete with wires, a detonator and a clock,
>
>
> Which if discovered by crooks, crackpots or children would still be a
> ***fake bomb***.
>

the main point is - the US lost a bomb that Looked like a bomb,
it may not have been real but it looked real to the incompotents that
let it slip through.
The french were training bomb sniffing dogs with a plastic exposive.
dogs don't care what it looks like - as far as I've been able to
discover that's all it was - a package.
anyone finding that would find a block (or 2) of stuff that looks a lot
like slightly hardend playdo.
if it wasn't marked as what it was they would likely have no idea what
they had and simply throw it away.

> I don't think the same can be said of France's loss of high explosives and
> hence I don't think there is any valid comparison between the two events.
>
>

seems quite comparable to me - French dogs missed a bomb, US people
missed one. all it proves is - the american security people are no
smarted than the french dogs!

Popeye NCAT3 wrote:

>>Yes a fake bomb.....But... complete with wires, a detonator and a clock,
>
>
> And no explosives...


Hopefully it doesn't meet the french parcel..

Matthias

>From: Matthias Voss spammat.voss@gmx.de
>Date: 12/16/2004 5:15 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <cprn9b$h26$04$3@news.t-online.com>
>
>Popeye NCAT3 wrote:
>
>>>Yes a fake bomb.....But... complete with wires, a detonator and a clock,
>>
>>
>> And no explosives...
>
>
>Hopefully it doesn't meet the french parcel..
>
>Matthias


That was good.


Popeye
The only working atomic bomb platforms the
Japanese ever had were delivered via airmail.