Drysuit latex neck seal - tuck it in or not....

I have been getting a lot of water in the drysuit, I was told today that I
should be rolling the latex neck seal inside. I was under the understanding
that this was not standard practice.

I would appreciate your opinion on this issue. If you prefer to email me
directly, try benner @ personainternet.com

--

Rudy Benner

When the power of love
overcomes the love of power
the world will know peace.
-- Jimi Hendrix (1942-1970)

In article <vghkijtk07abaf@corp.supernews.com>, Alter_Ego
<bogus@mail.com> wrote:

€ I have been getting a lot of water in the drysuit, I was told today that I
€ should be rolling the latex neck seal inside. I was under the understanding
€ that this was not standard practice.
€
€ I would appreciate your opinion on this issue. If you prefer to email me
€ directly, try benner @ personainternet.com

They're confused.

What makes you think it's the neckseal?

--
"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?"
-Sergeant Major Dan Daly

Alter_Ego wrote:
>
> I have been getting a lot of water in the drysuit, I was told today that I
> should be rolling the latex neck seal inside. I was under the understanding
> that this was not standard practice.

You are correct. Who ever told you that was FOS.

Have you done a leak test yet? Any possibility that the neck seal is
simply too big?

Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
www.mossmanscubaventures.com

Actually, I am more inclined to consider cutting the neck seal down just a
tad more. But not before I am sure it needs to be bigger. It was too tight
when I got it.

I will try it both ways. Nothing to lose.


"Brian Nadwidny" <nadwidny@excite.com> wrote in message
news:3F08F953.DA7EE3DE@excite.com...
> Alter_Ego wrote:
> >
> > I have been getting a lot of water in the drysuit, I was told today that
I
> > should be rolling the latex neck seal inside. I was under the
understanding
> > that this was not standard practice.
>
> You are correct. Who ever told you that was FOS.
>
> Have you done a leak test yet? Any possibility that the neck seal is
> simply too big?
>
> Brian
> Edmonton, Alberta
> www.mossmanscubaventures.com

In article <vghm6kj0b0nf2e@corp.supernews.com>, Alter_Ego
<bogus@mail.com> wrote:

€ Well....the other options would include a leaky zipper. As far as I can
€ tell, the zipper is fine. Dump valve has already been replaced. It was
€ cracked, but may not have been the source of the water.
€
€ The amount of water that gets in is quite variable, from slight dampness all
€ the way to fully soaked, even to the point where I was considering dropping
€ the weight belt. Not much fun ....

There's a very big whole bunch of things it could be, other than a neck
seal.

Where does it happen?

No, goddamnit, not the dive site.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

"Alter_Ego" <bogus@mail.com> wrote in
news:vgi03bj1lou896@corp.supernews.com:

> Actually, I am more inclined to consider cutting the neck seal down
> just a tad more. But not before I am sure it needs to be bigger. It
> was too tight when I got it.
>
> I will try it both ways. Nothing to lose.
>
>
> "Brian Nadwidny" <nadwidny@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:3F08F953.DA7EE3DE@excite.com...
>> Alter_Ego wrote:
>> >
>> > I have been getting a lot of water in the drysuit, I was told today
>> > that
> I
>> > should be rolling the latex neck seal inside. I was under the
> understanding
>> > that this was not standard practice.
>>
>> You are correct. Who ever told you that was FOS.
>>
>> Have you done a leak test yet? Any possibility that the neck seal is
>> simply too big?
>>
>> Brian
>> Edmonton, Alberta
>> www.mossmanscubaventures.com
>
>
>

Are you sure that your gear isn't pulling your suit down a bit at the back?
That way it can be that when you bow your head you get an opening between
neck and seal.
--
Michael Wolf

-----

Cthulhu For President.
Why settle for the lesser evil?

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"Alter_Ego" left this mess on Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:31:14 -0400 for The Way to
clean up:
>
>
>"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
>news:bebqlo02cam@drn.newsguy.com...
>> "Alter_Ego" left this mess on Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:52:16 -0400 for The Way
>to
>> clean up:
>> >
>> >I have been getting a lot of water in the drysuit, I was told today that
>I
>> >should be rolling the latex neck seal inside. I was under the
>understanding
>> >that this was not standard practice.
>> >
>> >I would appreciate your opinion on this issue. If you prefer to email me
>> >directly, try benner @ personainternet.com
>> >
>>
>> Neoprene rolls. Latex lays flat.
>>
>> I had a similar problem with a neck seal on a dive and all it came down to
>was
>> me not being careful with the neck seal, leaving an awful lot of "slack"
>(as
>> opposed to smoothing it out towards my collarbone), so that anytime I
>inflated a
>> little pocket of air bubbled up and out. I was totally soaked by the end
>of the
>> dive, my front all the way down to my feet.
>>
>> Tao te Carl
>>
>> "Jesus, just because it's a newsgroup doesn't mean you have to act like
>> adolescents." - Jon C.
>>
>
>Could you please elaborate ..? Off line is good too at benner @
>personainternet.com

I don't know how much more to elaborate. I donned my suit quickly, and rather
than smooth out my neck seal carefully, I must have had a small roll or bump in
the latex which gave room for air to bubble out.

Think of it like I was laying a lineoleum floor (go ahead Hog, take your best
shot! :) ) and had some bumps in the middle that I normally would roll out to
the edges and flatten, but was in a rush. Ultimately, that weakens the adhesion
at that point.

Same deal in the latex seal.

Tao te Carl

"Jesus, just because it's a newsgroup doesn't mean you have to act like
adolescents." - Jon C.

Ok, I understand now what you mean. Thanks. Actually, I sort of suspected
something of that nature due to the variability of the amount of water
getting in. Something related to how the suit was put on, rather than a
physical defect with the suit.

I did replace the dump valve, it was cracked. It could perhaps have been the
source of the leakage, perhaps not. In any case, the new one works better,
the old one did not seem to have a manual dump feature.

I think what I need to do now is take more time in getting suited up, with
careful scrutiny from my buddy, then a short dive, followed by an inspection
to see exactly where/if I am wet.

Again, many thanks...


"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
news:bec5ht0it4@drn.newsguy.com...
> "Alter_Ego" left this mess on Mon, 7 Jul 2003 09:31:14 -0400 for The Way
to
> clean up:
> >
> >
> >"de Valois" <devalois@nailedandused.com> wrote in message
> >news:bebqlo02cam@drn.newsguy.com...
> >> "Alter_Ego" left this mess on Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:52:16 -0400 for The
Way
> >to
> >> clean up:
> >> >
> >> >I have been getting a lot of water in the drysuit, I was told today
that
> >I
> >> >should be rolling the latex neck seal inside. I was under the
> >understanding
> >> >that this was not standard practice.
> >> >
> >> >I would appreciate your opinion on this issue. If you prefer to email
me
> >> >directly, try benner @ personainternet.com
> >> >
> >>
> >> Neoprene rolls. Latex lays flat.
> >>
> >> I had a similar problem with a neck seal on a dive and all it came down
to
> >was
> >> me not being careful with the neck seal, leaving an awful lot of
"slack"
> >(as
> >> opposed to smoothing it out towards my collarbone), so that anytime I
> >inflated a
> >> little pocket of air bubbled up and out. I was totally soaked by the
end
> >of the
> >> dive, my front all the way down to my feet.
> >>
> >> Tao te Carl
> >>
> >> "Jesus, just because it's a newsgroup doesn't mean you have to act like
> >> adolescents." - Jon C.
> >>
> >
> >Could you please elaborate ..? Off line is good too at benner @
> >personainternet.com
>
> I don't know how much more to elaborate. I donned my suit quickly, and
rather
> than smooth out my neck seal carefully, I must have had a small roll or
bump in
> the latex which gave room for air to bubble out.
>
> Think of it like I was laying a lineoleum floor (go ahead Hog, take your
best
> shot! :) ) and had some bumps in the middle that I normally would roll out
to
> the edges and flatten, but was in a rush. Ultimately, that weakens the
adhesion
> at that point.
>
> Same deal in the latex seal.
>
> Tao te Carl
>
> "Jesus, just because it's a newsgroup doesn't mean you have to act like
> adolescents." - Jon C.
>

On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:11:49 -0700, "AirHog"
<mickey@tekdiveguydotcomiown stevespencer.com> wrote:

>> There's a very big whole bunch of things it could be, other than a neck
>> seal.
>>
>> Where does it happen?
>>
>> No, goddamnit, not the dive site.
>
>
>This is an OS Systems suit--one you are very familiar with.
>
>I bought it to be like you. Now I am pimping my own bad ass to afford a
>tls350 or Andrew Special.
>
>
>AirHog

I thought you hated dry suits ? :)

Laser
>

"AirHog" left this mess on Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:09:08 -0400 for The Way to clean
up:
>
>> Well, at least you admit you're lousy. ;)
>
>
>At least I am not laying like a linoleum(sp?) floor....with humps in it...
>

Tighter than anything *you'll* lay...

Tao te Carl

"Jesus, just because it's a newsgroup doesn't mean you have to act like
adolescents." - Jon C.