BP/Wing - OMS compared to Halcyon

"Jason O'Rourke" <jor@soda.csua.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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> Jon C <jcousin1@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >What specifically makes the OMS wing inferior to the Halcyon one? I hear
a
> >lot of people complain about small punctures in the Pioneers.. it sounds
> >like the OMS one is more durable.
>
> You hear voices a lot? This sounds like something pushed around with a
> shovel. There's no question that Halcyon's early plates had sharp edges
> that benefitted from a bit of deburring, but beyond that, they do the
> job just fine.

He was talking about the Pioneer wings and the seam leaks.

Scott

If you ask me, the OMS singles wing and the new Koplin singles wings can't
come out soon enough. The Halcyon wing is fine but there's nothing magical
about it. It's just a wing. And it's really damned expensive at that. I
wouldn't hesitate to buy the OMS wing if I got a good deal on it. As it is,
I got a good deal on the Pioneer, but I've no loyalty to Halcyon.

-Jon

"Charlie Haber" <charlie@habergroup.com> wrote in message
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> I have the opportunity to get some OMS gear at a discount. I'd like to
hear
> some feedback about it. I went to the OMS website and find that they are
> very directly attacking Halcyon. Everyone seems to love Halcyon stuff,
but
> I have heard of some problems with small holes developing in the wings.
I'm
> interested in the 27# Pioneer wing (or equiv).
>
> I don't have enough experience to know whether this stuff is true or
> bullshit, but I'm a little skeptical when a company (OMS) seems this
> desperate.
>
> I noticed on the OMS website a 29# wing that is very similar to the
Halcyon
> Pioneer 27# (http://www.omsdive.com/innovation.html). After poking around
> on the site, it seems that OMS hired one or more people from Halcyon.
>
> They're (trying) to hit Halcyon pretty hard, talking about the edge
softened
> slots on the OMS backplates (showing a Halcyon backplate with a frayed
> harness)(http://www.omsdive.com/backplate-mfg.html). On another page
> they're warning consumers about easily punctured wings (again showing a
> Halcyon Explorer wing) (http://www.omsdive.com/news2.html).
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
>
>

I don't know what you mean by trolling, but I am looking at buying a BP/Wing
combo and was told by a friend that he can get me OMS stuff from an LDS that
he works for. My last dive I rented the Halcyon stuff and was look for real
feedback, not stupid ass insults

"AirHog" <mickey@stevespencerismybitch.com> wrote in message
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> > Thanks for the feedback.
>
> You asked for feedback you have it.
>
> OMS is beyond fucking pale no matter who they hire. There must be a
reason
> for people being fired/loosing their jobs/etc.
>
> You are doing nothing more than fucking trolling and you deserve to dive
OMS
> gear and find out for yourself if they measure up.
>
>
> Have Fun.
>
>
> AirHog
>
>
>

No you putz, I don't work for OMS, I'm just doing a lot of research on their
site. I was a bit suspicious about their blatant attacks on Halcyon. It
seems desparate.


"AirHog" <mickey@stevespencerismybitch.com> wrote in message
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> > Given how OMS copied some of the Halcyon designs, if the OP can get a
> great
> > price on it, why not go for it?
>
>
> I happen to think given the nuymber of links to the OMS site this guy
lives
> under a bridge....like most trolls/spammers.
>
>
> AirHog
>
>
>

You must be new.
Hog is our self proclaimed GUE Halcyon spokes person.
Or self proclaimed flaming queer.
Actually he's both and GUE would like to ditch him like a bad case of the
craps.
He comes with a dress and fuck me boots as wore at previous DIR demo's.
Be advise adding him to your kill file will not get rid of him.
As be careful he posts to himself under many names.
Hang around a while and you'll catch on.

Last guy tried to drag him over Niagara Falls in a sack, but failed.

The main difference between H and OMS.
Is OMS roots are in harsh cold salt water off New Jersey (wreck diving).

H roots are in warm fresh calm water caves in N Florida.

As far as durability about the same now a days.
Choice is yours to compare face to face.
H does make some crap like their lift bags. (it has been cover here)
As for name calling.
There's a war going on out there.
Gue & H are going after market share and getting it.
Whether they are the best remains to be seen.

Padi has controlling market share in sport diving.
Are they the best?
Around here if you pulled out a Padi card you'd get laughed at.
As for GUE there is about 99% posers around here and all the do is give it
a bad name.
Around here so far they are kinda looked upon as the PADI of tech diving.

By around here I refer to SE Ontario

Steve

"Charlie Haber" <charlie@habergroup.com> wrote in message
news:wJMOa.13023$EC6.6123966@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...
> No you putz, I don't work for OMS, I'm just doing a lot of research on
their
> site. I was a bit suspicious about their blatant attacks on Halcyon. It
> seems desparate.
>
>
> "AirHog" <mickey@stevespencerismybitch.com> wrote in message
> news:LfxOa.1811$OZ5.1547@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com.. .
> > > Given how OMS copied some of the Halcyon designs, if the OP can get a
> > great
> > > price on it, why not go for it?
> >
> >
> > I happen to think given the nuymber of links to the OMS site this guy
> lives
> > under a bridge....like most trolls/spammers.
> >
> >
> > AirHog
> >
> >
> >
>
>

On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 04:13:23 GMT, "Charlie Haber"
<charlie@habergroup.com> wrote:

>and was look for real feedback, not stupid ass insults

So why did you come to rec.scuba? :)

Seriously... ya know, both plates are fine.
I don't care for the way OMS crosses the straps above the shoulders...
tends to pinch the back of the neck... a big deal with a latex seal on
a drysuit, but the plate can be rigged normally.

As far as the wings, my requirements are a short inflator hose (just
long enough to pass through the bungee on my left d-ring), 30-45
pounds lift, a lower OPV on the diver-side of the wing, bottom left,
no shoulder pull-dump, and no bungees.

If OMS makes a wing that fits those requirements, I would not have a
problem with diving it.

Given equal choice and price between the two companies, I'd opt for
Halcyon simply because of OMS's blatant public attacks on Halcyon.
I see they have corrected their "backplate" page... when that page
first appeared, "CE" (Canadian Extreme) was clearly visible in the
channel of the backplate.
Maybe they were trying to be fair to Halcyon and show another
manufacturer's equipment?
Maybe CE saw it and asked them to remove it?

Dunno.




--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/

In article <63NOa.6692$ru2.625282@news20.bellglobal.com>, Steve
<srspencer@hotmail.com> wrote:

€ You must be new.

Silence, newbie.

When you have enough time here to speak, the Hog will take that dildo
out of your mouth.

Until then, return your place under the stairs.

--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001

"Rich Lockyer" <rlockyer@linkline.DONTSPAMME.com> wrote in message
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> Given equal choice and price between the two companies, I'd opt for
> Halcyon simply because of OMS's blatant public attacks on Halcyon.

I think Halcyon started it, OMS just upped the anti by mentioning them by
name. Halcyon has had pictures of OMS bungee wings on their site for quite
a while for the purpose of attacking them. It's all just standard marketing
in today's society.....better ingredients, better pizza. On the wing I'd go
with Halcyon simply because they've had a good singles wing the longest and
have had time to "work the bugs out".

James

> You must be new.
> Hog is our self proclaimed GUE Halcyon spokes person.
> Or self proclaimed flaming queer.
> Actually he's both and GUE would like to ditch him like a bad case of the
> craps.

I have no affiliation whatsoever with any brand of equipment and openly
support none. I own products from each of these companies. Of course, we
know what happens when I post your outrageous lies and bullshit to the
mothership, don't we? You ass raping student killer.

> He comes with a dress and fuck me boots as wore at previous DIR demo's.
> Be advise adding him to your kill file will not get rid of him.
> As be careful he posts to himself under many names.
> Hang around a while and you'll catch on.

Sarong. Skirt like if you will. But then again you have never been with
anything with a dress on. And I do not wear boots.
Once again--if you had any sense on how to properly work a
killfile......cite. cite one post where I have ever posted to myself.

> Last guy tried to drag him over Niagara Falls in a sack, but failed.

We know that was you trying again to dispose of another dead student's body.
You killing one a month yet?

All of the above from an idiot who has my dick in his mouth at all times,
except when it is in daughters mouth. Of course doing your daughter
requires full cave certification.


AirHog

> Time to go diving AirHog. It's starting to wear off. Not too bad yet but
a
> good dive couldn't hurt could it?
>


Hey Jimmie--

I could dive 24/7 and still blast this horrendous, student killing death
machine on my surface intervals.

AirHog